Some serious pumping power needed... help?

[Suicide]

Okay, need some help here... I'm quite content with my air cooling setup--well, continue reading please--BUT I'm getting a little pissed off with being shrouded in the horror that is a wind tunnel. 9 fans total, 1 120mm which is fairly noiseless, 5 80mm fans which are all pumping 30cfm or better, gpu cooler aint' really that noisy, and of course, the volcano 7+ (which has just been turned down to low the past few days coz i'm gettin' sick of the sound)... Anyway, overall, extremely noisy in this small little computer room. So, I'm building myself my own case (will post pics when it's complete... gimme a month or two... QUITE original in its design (think old powermac's w/ some accessories on steroids :D)... Anywho, my new case is gonna require (if I go with water cooling (doubt the P4'd take too nicely to passive air cooling), a lotta pumping power, and not decent, but extremely good tubes 'n great seals as leaking isn't an option. First to overview the design of the case it's basically as follows:

L shape design, motherboard arched sideways (got desk space length wise, just not depth wise) w/ connectors going to back and front (some things rather have connector on front (eg., mouse) which is 40cm (16") wide, by 35cm deep (14"), by 22.5cm tall (9"), with a modular rack of 5 1/4" drive bays to the far right, 18.75cm (7.5") wide, by 35cm deep (14"), by x cm (x*2.5") high (again modular, height could be anything)... But as it stands right now, w/ this idea, "x" is 30cm (12"). So the case is in the shape of an L (that is, an "L" laying on it's back).

The pump/reservoir will be sitting at the very top of the "L" (all intensive purposes, this is the only spot it can sit at this point in design (gonna make later versions better when I can think of a better way to keep the solid airflow (to keep dust on it's own trail, and cooling things like ram)). The power supply is at the bottom of the modular 5 1/4" drive bays, as I don't have an ATX cable long enough on this power supply to put it at the very top of the case, or I wouldn't be posting this now (as the pump/resevoir would be at the bottom of the 5 1/4" drive bay rack).

So basically, what I'm asking is anybody got ideas on what pump/radiator(s), water blocks and tubing I should use? (Money isn't an object at this very moment, but if I'm gonna have to spend around 800 CDN$ to make this go, I'm not even gonna bother going that route, I'll just pick up a vapochill pe, or mod this case design a bit more to fit a promethia system).

The main thing is the pump has to be powerful enough to pump the water down the drive bay rack (shouldn't be a problem) but also through the base of the "L" shape (remember case is layed out like an "L" turned down on it's back (more like __|)), and back up through again. Or should I just look at using two pumps, one up high, and one down low so I'm pumping the water down, and then pumping the water back up? But the seals on the tubing are absolutely vital!

Anyway thanks for the help, and I appologize for the mini-novel.

[pdxflyboy]

for that much buy a vapochill system

[Suicide]

Okay thanks.

[IronSerif]

Yeah a Vapochill system will keep things really cool....

Here is another alternative, that will be cooler than a Vapochill

http://www6.tomshardware.com/howto/20021230/

I don't know too much about this one though, sorry :(

Have you ever been to http://www.dangerden.com ?
I would definately check it out :)

[Suicide]

My case I'm buidling I have crafted a design to house the vapochill pe system (to fit in the top of the 5 1/4" drive bay rack)... But The promethia is just a bit different, and won't fit in my case design, otherwise ya, I know the promethia cools better heh, but as far as the room in the case goes... It won't fit.

[IronSerif]

Yeah, I'm sure your temps will be just fine w/o the promethia . That's just like, taking it to the next level lol

[Suicide]

Well I got enough materials for 3 cases :D So maybe in my next design... heh, money permitting of course :)

[IronSerif]

Originally posted by Suicide
... heh, money permitting of course :)

hehe I heard that man. Good luck with everything and let us know how it turns out!

[ECA]

1. what are the walls in the room made of?
2. do you OWN the house, if not can you mod the room.

They have accustical tiles that are great. reduce sound noise by up to 50%. AND those out side the room, wont hear you either.

[Suicide]

The machine sits exactly (yes I just measured) 28 cm away to my right (just enough to move the mouse heh) ... Even doing that might cut down on a BIT of noise, but not enough to justify that big of a purchase :-/

But I do got another question... Dust is attracted by EMF... and there's one thing I can see going wrong with my case design... That is, it's all acrylic (except some rubber supports for drive bays, feet, cushion for the vapochill system (if it don't already got it) and a few other little things... And well, acrylic cases are really bad for collecting dust... The case will have a few 120mm fans (to keep airflow going through the case to give extra cooling to things like memory)... I should actually post pictures of how the case is being designed for better explanation... Actually I'll do that, and post it here before I finish my question :)

[Suicide]

Okay just looking at my design plans again, and the vapochill system won't work :-/ I'd have to re-design the rack (create a second) so it'll fit over the CPU.

Image is attached.

Anyway my question was relating to dust. I drew on the two 120mm fan intakes on the left (tilted to exhaust up 5 degrees), which blow air across the mainboard, and the airflow is redirected by little plates. #2 redirects airflow down towards chipset / ram. #3 is curved and twisted to keep as much air from flowing back towards the intakes and more so redirect it to #1. #1's whole goal is to redirect air upwards. On the left of the rack, just inbetween #6 (IDE Hub that needs to be built to allow ide devices to plug into mainboard (whole other topic :D)) and #5 (acrylic tile, with perpherated holes allowing air to pass through) is 1 120mm fan set to intake and exhaust up, thus redirecting airflow again to the left, where at the top of the case on the rear is 1 more 120mm fan set to exhaust. The modular bays are between #6 and #7 (currently illustrated with only 2 bays). Before ya ask, the hard drives are mounted to two hard disk sandwiches (for lack of a better term) mounted on the top of the case (inside) inbetween #2 and the wall #5 ends. For all intesive purposes the psu will be directly to the right of #1 air "lift" but it will be open, as the area just above it will be too. But where the perpherated plate starts to tilt upwards to the left, to the top of the mainboard chassis, is a solid wall with a couple of 3/8" drill holes (4) to let the drives breathe a little better. but they are mounted (the hard drives) next to one another, front towards the drive bay racks, and they are mounted on a clip system (remove the top of the mainboard chassis portion of the case, the drives will be attached to it, and you can clip them out then unscrew the brackets).

Now, back to my question :) I want to keep as much dust out as humanly possible, but I don't wanna have to clean air filters every month or two.

Anyway, any help'd be greatly appreciated (also let me know what you think of the case design... I've started on another design as well incorporating phase changers (well 2, heh, the vapochill and the promethia) and some other toys :D I may scrap this case i just posted entirely if I get this new one happy enough (will be back for some suggestions/criticism when i got it done). Thanks.

[pdxflyboy]

i cant answer to that, but why cant you buy a prebuilt vapochill system? is it because you HAVE to have these Dims for your case?

[Suicide]

No it's because I don't like the look of the vapochill case. But, the reason I can't remove the system from the vapochill case and put it in this one is because of the design. The proc is at the bottom left (where it meets the drive bay stack) and in order for the vapochill unit to actually be close enough to fit ontop the cpu, I'd have no access for the drives in the rack.

[pdxflyboy]

ive got a xoxide case w/ 5 fans and a nexus fan controller on the way, but i changed my mind and am getting the koolmax instead. No point on spending tons of money on old tech, liquid and compressor cooled cases are the future.