View Full Version : Useful MS Technology or more Bloatware??
flashfire
08-28-2002, 11:05 AM
You'll have to decide, but it makes for an interesting article. Click here for article (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,491044,00.asp)
So now they have a server based system that can send messages to Pagers, digital pagers, cell phones and PDA's...
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Enterprises can capture user preferences and subscriptions on the Web through an Active Server Page. Notification Services uses that information to match subscriptions against incoming data to SQL Server.
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This is disturbing.... they can look at my system and Find my preferances and see where Iv been, and Select compatable services for me...
For a messageing system, FINE... To do the WORK I should be doing, NOT. they are trying to make the computer smarter then us, but as most know, doing a search on the NET, 100,000 matches, and only 1 is what you wanted.
Sounds like yet another tool, this time supported by MS, to spam people with.
llbbl
08-29-2002, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by dang
Sounds like yet another tool, this time supported by MS, to spam people with.
I don't think it is setup to automatically invade everyone's privacy and spam everyone that it can. That would be BAD. This sounds more like a business tool that can be used by companies to interact more closely with its customers. There is a difference, right?
VIND:
And HOw would it do that?
Investigate the locations on my computer and Look at my 'Net Favs' and see what and where I have been and DONE, and then decide to send me Info and Links to those common...
Sounds like SPAMware to me... ALSO, its intruding on my privacy...
For a closed system, and search material, it would be nice...BUT, its designed to LOOK at my system IF I go to there SITE.
llbbl
08-31-2002, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by ECA
ECA,
Do you really think that this will fly with consumers? I don't! If it does turn out to operate how you describe then someone will come out with a way around it. Firewal's can do a lot these days...
Vin:
What do you know about IE(Interent explorer) versions 4+..
Windows already gives out Most of your info... REALLY..
Every time you goto a site that is run by Windows Server, it looks at your system and finds out WHO you are.
Let me find a test site, I had one that even told you WHO signed the registration on YOUR windows...
http://privacy.net/
http://hackerwhacker.com/
http://www.doshelp.com/dostest.htm
http://www.securityspace.com/sspace/index.html
a sign up, with software to buy if you wish.
llbbl
09-03-2002, 06:32 PM
ECA,
Look man I know what people are capable of doing with technology and the web. I know about IP tracking and other little tricks. I may not be abreast of all the information but I have a better idea than most. As do you I am sure. While your links are interesting I do not think that they pertain to this article.
They do not convince me that M$ would release something that invaded your privacy to the degree that the rest of you are getting at. It just wouldn't be possible to install something remotely that searched your HD to find out your email, cell phone number and all your chat names just so that it could send you spam. They wouldn't do this without anyone knowing about it. They wouldn't do this without asking the users permission first.
If you read this article (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,490899,00.asp) linked off the Ioman's original article. It gives a better example of the type of people that would be using this service. They say and I quote
Microsoft announced a range of customers using Notification Services, including the NASDAQ's nasdaq.com site and the New York Times Co.'s NYTimes.com. Nasdaq.com will allow subscribers to receive personalized notifications about changes in financial data. NYTimes.com is allowing subscribers to receive new real estate listings in the East Coast market. Renters or buyers specify the attributes they are looking for in properties and can receive notifications whenever a property matching the criteria is listed in The New York Times real estate classified ads.
:eek:
Yes, but as the SITE says, and I quoted before....
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Enterprises can capture user preferences and subscriptions on the Web through an Active Server Page. Notification Services uses that information to match subscriptions against incoming data to SQL Server.
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Do you know HOW email can be traced, when the authorities Need to track it. Every email from a Windows system, has a code in it. Every time it goes thru a Windows server, that code is kept track of. This was implimented by MS, at the governments request, for trace-ability of hackers.
HOW do you think they can track anything on the NET. ANY smart person can get an anonomous account.
How about a Net mall site. HOW do they verify you and your info. ASK IE for your info.
How about IF a hacker wants to gather info on you. When you enter his site, he can grab your basic info..
Ok, one more step. You are a company that sells names to other companys for EMAlL solicitaions(sp). Insted of sending them ALL these names, wouldnt it be neet to send those names that had an interest in a certain product... What would a company PAY for this. If you been to ALOT of adult sites in your favorites, all of a sudden you are getting adverts to 1000 more sites. How about you go to alot of sites that sell guns and weapons. You will be bombarded with ALL kinds of emails from these sites.
NOW, is this a convienience, SPAM, or a virus.....
llbbl
09-04-2002, 08:16 PM
That sounds all well and good if it can really be used for that purpose. I don't think that the program is going to do that if you don't want it to. It's SQL data not a self executing virus out to capture valueable user information.
No one says you have to use M$ email at home. There are ways around the tracking crap, I am telling you. Plus why would spend mucho deniro on M$ crap when you can download and install the equivalent Linux programs. Open Source is better for home use. M$ is better for (some) business use.
Now for my defense of M$. I think they are doing a decent job of things, despite all their misgivings about DOS. I don't think that the products they offer can be considered bloatware because anything beyond a bare bones install of Linux (just command prompt) can be considered bloatware. All GUI interfaces and feature enhancements should be evaluated on there usefulness, but on the same token software companies can go only so far with the same product and new interfaces. At some point they should recognize a new market need and change their product to match that desire.
VIN...
Think about MS...THEY DONT WANT TO BE COMPATABLE..
They want Windows to be ALL controlling. IF they can have IE, give out your info, when a code is sent to it. Isnt that a Virus??
IE already GIVES your info, to MS services when it sends a code to IE..
This program will look at MORE on your system, then the basic EMAIL location. Would you consider THAT a virus.
I DO. I also consider it an invasion of MY privacy.
As you stated::
That sounds all well and good if it can really be used for that purpose. I don't think that the program is going to do that if you don't want it to.
What company WOULDNT want your info, to sell it. Do you know how much money can be MADE from your info. ALOT..And ALOT more.. For each add that you GET. its an average 10 cents. For EACH advert you click, its about 20-35 cents... AND thats the cheap ones... IF you click an Advert and a SALE is made... WOW, BINGO... MORE money. Times this by 1000 hits a day, and 1% clicking the advert, and 1% of them making a sale(thats Minnimum).
This country is BASED on MONEY, and comercialism... DO NOT THINK to put ANYTHING past mankind, to NOT do something...
In a news article from Spain, a man was found dead at the front of a cave, a boulder fell on him. When they lifted his body, they FOUND a chicken attached, below the wast, to the man. The guy was #$%^ a chicken when the boulder killed him.
This is a way to have a LEGAL virus on your computer, to gather your info, IF they want to. Do you think SOMEONE wont do it. If I payed $10,000 for this software, and used it in the way I mentioned(they also). I could make my money back in less then 3 months(EASY). Selling your INFO(and everybody else's) to companies, ALL over the net.
Ioman
09-08-2002, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by ECA
VIN...
Think about MS...THEY DONT WANT TO BE COMPATABLE..
They want Windows to be ALL controlling. IF they can have IE, give out your info, when a code is sent to it. Isnt that a Virus??
IE already GIVES your info, to MS services when it sends a code to IE..
This program will look at MORE on your system, then the basic EMAIL location. Would you consider THAT a virus.
I DO. I also consider it an invasion of MY privacy.
As you stated::
That sounds all well and good if it can really be used for that purpose. I don't think that the program is going to do that if you don't want it to.
What company WOULDNT want your info, to sell it. Do you know how much money can be MADE from your info. ALOT..And ALOT more.. For each add that you GET. its an average 10 cents. For EACH advert you click, its about 20-35 cents... AND thats the cheap ones... IF you click an Advert and a SALE is made... WOW, BINGO... MORE money. Times this by 1000 hits a day, and 1% clicking the advert, and 1% of them making a sale(thats Minnimum).
This country is BASED on MONEY, and comercialism... DO NOT THINK to put ANYTHING past mankind, to NOT do something...
In a news article from Spain, a man was found dead at the front of a cave, a boulder fell on him. When they lifted his body, they FOUND a chicken attached, below the wast, to the man. The guy was #$%^ a chicken when the boulder killed him.
This is a way to have a LEGAL virus on your computer, to gather your info, IF they want to. Do you think SOMEONE wont do it. If I payed $10,000 for this software, and used it in the way I mentioned(they also). I could make my money back in less then 3 months(EASY). Selling your INFO(and everybody else's) to companies, ALL over the net.
I don't know if I agree with this statement or not. I just read an article in Tech Information Weekly about a new MS server which could help IT departments with both Linux and MS servers be cross compatible.
On another note the network protocol IPX/SPX is Microsofts attempt to make a compatible Novell IPX networking protocol. I think that if Microsoft needs to be compatible, they will become compatible. Especially in a network with various OSes and hardware.
IOMAN:
think about BEFORE MS went to court 3 years ago..
And being compatible on a network is one thing, but as a computer...NOT...
BMP format as a native format..WHY
How long for windows 95-xp did it take for MS to decide to make themselves compatible...LMAO.. And Gates is supposed to be SMART.. He is, and Very.. He makes his own DOC format to be uncompatible with most machines. He keeps the file extention protocol to confuse most machines, as you dont need a header in the file to tell its REAL format. 90% of windows can be opened in a TXT format.
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