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neuroking
06-27-2003, 03:33 PM
Hey kids,

Just wanted to post about headphones. Why? Beacuse I thought one day that I would get new headphones. But like any good geek, I decided to research first. Big mistake. The next month was a winding road of back alley websites and dealing with some of the scariest ppl ever: Headphone fanatics. Okay, so it wasn't that bad. But I thought I would pass along some recommendations.

I wanted:
- headphones to work out with
- listen to music in bed
- computer games (fps)
- general music
- an 'open' pair (can hear the outside world)
- a closed pair (screw the outside world, I'm in lalaLand)
- wireless is posible
- nothing over $300 for 1 pair, total <$600

After extensive research I settled on the Sennheiser HD 580s for gaming, general music, and open design (the 600s jsut were not worth it to me for the extra $200), the shure E2c for bedtime/portable music, and the Koss Ksc-35 for running (and picked up an extra pair of kosses for ladydorkness). Note I did not get an amp. I just really didn't feel the extra $200-300 for a so-so one was worth it. Also, after reserching wireless, I realized that the only ones even worth considering were the Pioneer SE-DIR1000C or SE-XB1, neither available in the US, both over $500. I might consider them when they reach the states, since they feature Dolby Surround Headphone technology.

First the Sennheiser HD580s. Sweet sweet headphones. Very comfortable for hours at a time. Great sound quality all around, and an expansive soundstage, which is great for gaming. Some Head-Fi posters suggest the Sony cd3000 for gaming because of the strong bass, wider soundstage and closed design. I wanted to be able to hear the phone ringing, and sometimes an too expansive soundstage can hinder gaming (harder to localize sounds, like the cloaking sound in Tribes 2). The 580s are almost identical to the HD600s, which are arguably the best headphones on the market (barring the Grado-Senn argument that will never ever ever be resolved). Sennheiser is introducing the HD650s and 700s soon, so it may be worth waiting to see what the reviews of those are, and for the price drop on the 580s and 600s.

Next, the Shure E2c. While I wanted to get some Etymotic ER4S or ER4Ps I decided to go the cheaper route untilI was sure that the 'canalphone' was tolerable to me. SFor those not up on what that is, the canalphones/earbuds/earphones look like the small buds you get with most portable music players (like the SlimX or iPod), but they actaully go into your ear canal. That's right, you shove them INTO your ear. You hear nothing from the outside world, and after a little too much use, your ears can hurt, but this goes away after a week or so. Excellent sound, highs can be a little too high at times, but for $99, they are a steal.

And teh Koss KSC-35s. yeah, $35 cans will sound good. Suuuuure.... holy sh#$! Yes, they really are great phones. They are the over the ear single clip design, and they are great workout phones. You can hear the outside world, great sound (excellent bass for this style phone), pretty comfortable and nice a snug.

I reccomend gatting your cans from The Headroom, sicne they have the best exchange/return policy by far.

Also, for now I just wanted to get some great headphones at a sane price. yes, there are much better ones, and yes, all will sound better with a good amp, but the cost just seems almost illogical to me.

for more info:
Head-Fi (http://www.head-fi.org)
The Headroom (http://www.headphone.com/layout.php?topicID=1)
Audio Cubes (http://www.audiocubes.com/)

Anyhoo, just thought I'd add a little mini-review. Enjoy, and post comments on your own headphone expereinces!

Brandon

Cloud
06-28-2003, 03:17 PM
Few questions. Are your Shur headphones earbuds? I heard their earbuds are quite expensive and block out background noise completely.

I also heard KOSS headphones suck. What made you decide to go with those?

neuroking
06-28-2003, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Cloud
Few questions. Are your Shur headphones earbuds? I heard their earbuds are quite expensive and block out background noise completely.

I also heard KOSS headphones suck. What made you decide to go with those?

First.... nice avatar! hehe

The Shure phones are 'canalphones'. They actually fit into your ear. This is different from teh buds, which kinda of rest right outside teh enterence to the ear canal, since the canalphones actually are wedged into the ear canal. They block out probably 90% of external noise (in teh city at least), and it is quite hard to head anything else at all. The Shure e2c are $99. There is also Etymotic, which makes two well known sets, the er-4s, and er-4p. Here's a couple links:
Shure (http://www.shure.com/psm/earphones/default.asp)
Etymotic (http://www.etymotic.com/)

Most Koss headphones do suck, especially thier high end ones, which is why I completely wrote them off in the beginning. Then, as I was asking around for advice on workout headphones, the overwhelming response was the ksc-35. And when I say overwhelming, I mean it. I had a hard time getting anyone to suggest anything but them. Add to this that fact that if you break them, and I'm sure there are a million ways you can think of breaking headphones while working out, the replacement cost is minimal. I had a pair of Sonyw.ear headphones that I was using and these things blow them away. Very nice, especially the bass. Koss actually stopped making them, but the response was so overwhelming, they put them back on the market. They probably EOLed them because there was no gimmick of catchy looks, like Sony has been marketing quite hard, but the enthusiasts started writing them complaint letters. Check out the Head-Fi boards and do a search for 'work out' or 'running'. Here's the Koss link:Koss (http://www.koss.com/)

Hope taht helps...
Brandon

v8juice
06-29-2003, 04:31 AM
I like my Grado SR 325's... Bought a used pair for a little less than $200.00. Burned out the left channel in a month & got a new replacement pair for $45.00 (I like my music LOUD!). Grado has great customer service.

Santaduck
06-29-2003, 03:45 PM
Not for gaming, but for music, I'd also like to see any comparison review include the Grados.

Grados & Sennheisers have long been present in the budget high-end of headphone-audio, although recently Sennheisers have become well marketed. Grados are very simple, generally without a back wall (so sound doesn't bounce off), and have very unfatiguing sound.

While anyone is at it, it would be worthwhile to review other budget or semi-budget (<$500) headphone amplifiers, such as the 1) Headroom series (http://headroom.headphone.com/layout.php?topicID=3&subTopicID=27) (which has a circuit to introduce delayed crosstalk, much like as if listening to speakers witih the sound "in front" rather than in the center of your head), as well as 2) the tubed Musical Fidelity X-Can, and the 3)Grado RA-1 (about $400) and 4) Creek OBH-11 (about $200), or the beautiful OTL (output transformerless) triode tubed-and-caged Earmax (about $575):

http://www.audioconnect.com/assets/images/tn_earmax.jpg

v8juice
06-29-2003, 03:57 PM
http://members.aol.com/headphone2/

Santaduck
06-29-2003, 04:00 PM
very nice link to good reviews at all price levels... lol the STAX electrostatics are like ten grand right?

Anyways... let's get some reviews here at designtechnica :P

v8juice
06-29-2003, 04:20 PM
Yeah, I lusted after the Stax when they were "only" $995.00 until I realized, hey! I need drugs too! So I went from Koss Pro 4AAA's to Grado with a short stop at Sony MDR CD7's along the way. There's no turning back, where were these headphones when I was 17?

neuroking
07-06-2003, 01:44 PM
Okay, the email notification feature is not working. I didn't know anyone had responded to my own thread! Argh!

Yes, mid priced amp reviews would be nice, but I think the market for headphone amps is relatively small. Doesn't mean it isn't a nice thing to have, but in general it doubles the cost of what some would think is excessively priced accessories. And i think I might go with the Pioneer XB1 system when it is realeased in the States. Supposedly the built in amp is nice, and I would love a Dolby Headphone setup.

I have nothing against Grados, it's just that I didn't need two sets of headphones that fit the same niche (This was an "I went out and bought stuff for myself, then wrote a review" review.) I went with the Senns more on principle. I figure the company has to be doing alot of businessy type things to get their products out here for more ppl to enjoy. So, I figured I would reward them with another customer (and yes, if they sucked, I would not have bough tthem on that principle. Otherwise, I might as well have bought some of those Labtec cans you see at computer stores!)

Hey, maybe the DT overlords could hook me up? How bout it guys? Hook a bruthu up? Hehe...

Brandon

Ioman
07-06-2003, 02:07 PM
hehe we will see what we can get man. Message me when you get a chance and we can work something out.