New 20" Apple iMac

[Ioman]

Apple today introduced the amazing new 20-inch iMac, the largest flat-panel display ever offered in an all-in-one desktop.

The new 20-inch iMac joins the 15- and 17-inch models in the popular consumer desktop line and offers twice as much screen area as the 15-inch display model, enabling users to view more than two full pages side-by-side. The new iMac also includes Apple’s latest operating system, Mac OS® X version 10.3 “Panther,” pre-installed, offering over 150 breakthrough new features, including Exposé for instantly viewing all your open windows at once; iChat AV, the ground-breaking video teleconferencing software; and Fast User Switching, to easily enable the iMac to be shared among multiple users.
“The new iMac builds upon the revolutionary, all-in-one, adjustable design that remains unmatched in the industry,” said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. “By offering a huge, gorgeous 20-inch widescreen display, Apple has once again raised the bar on what customers can expect from an all-in-one desktop.”

The new 20-inch iMac with its widescreen display and pixel resolution of up to 1680-by-1050 is ideal for tasks such as video editing, creating or watching DVDs or browsing the web with multiple pages open at once. The brilliant LCD display gives you flicker-free images with twice the brightness, twice the sharpness and twice the contrast ratio of a typical CRT display.

Designed around an ultra-compact base, the iMac flat-panel display appears to float in mid-air, allowing users to effortlessly adjust its height or angle with just a touch. All iMac models include two FireWire® 400 and three high-speed USB 2.0 ports for fast, simple, plug-and-play connections to devices such as digital cameras, DV camcorders, the iPod™ and the iSight™ video conferencing camera. They also offer the latest in wireless communications with support for 54Mbps AirPort® Extreme 802.11g wireless networking and optional built-in Bluetooth for wireless connectivity to a range of peripherals such as cell phones and PDAs, as well as the new Apple Wireless Keyboard and Apple Wireless Mouse.

The iMac line sports PowerPC G4 processors running at 1.25 GHz in the 20- and 17-inch model and 1.0 GHz in the 15-inch model. All models include 256MB of fast 333 MHz DDR SDRAM and an 80GB Ultra ATA/100 hard disk drive running at 7200 rpm. The 20- and 17-inch models also include NVIDIA’s GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB of DDR video memory, for incredible graphics performance.

Every iMac ships with Apple’s iLife™ applications, a completely integrated suite offering iTunes® 4 for managing and purchasing digital music, iPhoto™ 2 for organizing and sharing digital photos, iMovie® 3 for making movies and iDVD™ 3 for burning DVDs that play in consumer DVD players. Also included is a collection of productivity and entertainment titles such as Quicken 2003 Deluxe, World Book 2003 Edition and the recently introduced Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 4.

The new 20-inch iMac comes with Panther pre-installed to deliver over 150 breakthrough new features. In addition to Exposé, iChat AV and Fast User Switching, Panther also offers a completely new Finder™ that provides one-click access to a user’s favorite files and folders; FileVault, which uses the latest security standards and 128-bit encryption technology to ensure that data in the home directory is kept secure and private at all times; and enhanced Windows compatibility that ensures files, printers and network services can easily be shared with Windows users.

Pricing & Availability
The new 20-inch iMac, in addition to the 15- and 17-inch models, are available immediately through the Apple Store® (http://www.apple.com/), at Apple’s retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers.

The 15-inch flat-panel iMac, for a suggested retail price of $1,299 (US), includes:

1 GHz PowerPC G4 processor with Velocity Engine;
256MB of 333 MHz DDR SDRAM;
32x Combo (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) optical drive;
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX graphics processor with 32MB video memory;
Two FireWire 400 and three USB 2.0 ports;
Internal support for AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth;
80GB Ultra ATA/100 hard drive running at 7200 rpm; and
Apple Pro Speakers.

The 17-inch widescreen flat-panel iMac, for a suggested retail price of $1,799 (US), includes:

1.25 GHz PowerPC G4 processor with Velocity Engine;
256MB of 333 MHz DDR SDRAM;
4x SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) optical drive;
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB video memory;
Two FireWire 400 and three USB 2.0 ports;
Internal support for AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth;
80GB Ultra ATA/100 hard drive running at 7200 rpm; and
Apple Pro Speakers.

The 20-inch widescreen flat-panel iMac, for a suggested retail price of $2,199 (US), includes:

1.25 GHz PowerPC G4 processor with Velocity Engine™;
256MB of 333 MHz DDR SDRAM;
4x SuperDrive™ (DVD-R/CD-RW) optical drive;
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB video memory;
Two FireWire 400 and three USB 2.0 ports;
Internal support for AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth;
80GB Ultra ATA/100 hard drive running at 7200 rpm; and
Apple Pro Speakers.

Build-to-order options and accessories include additional memory, AirPort Extreme Card, AirPort Extreme Base Station, Bluetooth, Apple Wireless Keyboard and Apple Wireless Mouse, 160GB Ultra ATA hard drive and the AppleCare® Protection Plan.

[llbbl]

We got the 23 inch Cinema Display at work and no one hardley uses it .. lol

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/70603/wo/uO6OwIFqGdJj3r9FUEK1two21GH/0.0.7.1.0.5.21.1.2.1.3.0.0.1.0

[Cloud]

I am surprised the neck can handle a monitor that size without getting worn out.

[Peter]

it is sweet. I wish they'd put a 9600 in it though :(

[ECA]

FX 5200, 64 meg...
Mine has 128 meg... Why the difference?
And they should have gone with the FX 5900 At least.

For what you are paying, you really arnt getting that much, excpt in software.

$400 difference between the 17" and 20" just for the monitor?

Give me the Box, and I will buy my OWN monitor.

[techfreak]

Originally posted by Peter
it is sweet. I wish they'd put a 9600 in it though :(

I am with ya on this. I assume you cannot add an aftermarket vid card to this system?

[ECA]

Originally posted by techfreak
I am with ya on this. I assume you cannot add an aftermarket vid card to this system?


This to me looks like there atarter model, Cant see HOW you could put much into it.

Go for the duel G5 800 at least.

[Peter]

Originally posted by ECA
...
Give me the Box, and I will buy my OWN monitor.
You mean like a .... cube? :D

The iMacs graphics cards cannot be upgraded, which is why Apple should put a fairly decent card in it. I doubt you'll even be able to run games on the native resolution of the 20" iMac.

[ECA]

Cant the power Mac be upgraded, it states its a 8x AGP. And you have a choice between the Radeon and ATI cards.

[techfreak]

Originally posted by Peter
You mean like a .... cube? :D

The iMacs graphics cards cannot be upgraded, which is why Apple should put a fairly decent card in it. I doubt you'll even be able to run games on the native resolution of the 20" iMac.


They probably did this so there would be no similarity in power between the iMac and the G4 systems. I guess it makes sense, but it would still be cool to game on an iMac system.

[Sir. T. Kalthor]

What the hell are you talking about! :argue A 20" Macintosh is not special; any twit with enough could buy a 20" TFT Monitor - why is one stuck to a dollop of Macintosh Sludge which balances with the worst and most evil Operating System ever devised by Macintosh and Satin in unison (some bits Macintosh wanted and put in but Satin thinks are too evil) so Special!

[techfreak]

Originally posted by Sir. T. Kalthor
What the hell are you talking about! :argue A 20" Macintosh is not special; any twit with enough could buy a 20" TFT Monitor - why is one stuck to a dollop of Macintosh Sludge which balances with the worst and most evil Operating System ever devised by Macintosh and Satin in unison (some bits Macintosh wanted and put in but Satin thinks are too evil) so Special!


hmmm ok there. Looks like the trolls have entered. Please send in the troll police!!

[ECA]

STK;
Have you had ANY other machine or operating system besides MS/Intel??

If not, GO AWAY. I have delt with More machine then you will probably EVER see. And A few OS's that made WINDOWS look like SPIT. Where do you THINK Windows came from? 90% of it was stolen.

[ECA]

OK,
Wipe your feet when you come in PLZ, we are getting $#@%@ on the rug.

[Sir. T. Kalthor]

I have used more computers than you give me credit for, and I am only 16 - but there is always Windows for me when I come back home. Windows 3.11 was probably 90% other material; but so here earlier Apple OS versions. We all know the Xerox Stories and we all know Apple got knowhere with Legal proceedings because of them. Macintosh are the underdogs and always will be - if they are so good why are they not the best? Because they're not.

[ECA]

Neither is INTELL or MS.
You get a computer for a purpose. If you want games you get MS. IF you want solid you get Mac.
If you can afford it you get a 16 CPU multi threading multiprocess machine. But I aint got $25k.
If I had a choice I would STILL have my Amiga, and be still paying games with it.
Degrading other persons choices isnt much to do. Its to easy.
My only comment is:
If we kept up with TECH we could ALL have killer machines. And game companies would STILL make progs for ALL OS's, as they USED to do.
Look at the TECH Apple has brought to the market and then Moan and groan about MS. SCSI, Firewire among the many.

[mikeywalnutz]

Ahh...now we see the situation here: a 16 year old computer nerd with nothing better to do in his pitiful existence than try to start a flaming war between Windows and Mac users. Please, dude! This is so kindergarten "my dad can beat up your dad" crap except it's much more stupid. It's all about preference. You like Microsoft. Cool. We like Apple. Cool. But what do I know? You could be making some valid points in your argument, but no one will ever understand them because of your poor writing.

[Sir. T. Kalthor]

I think perhaps this has gone further than the Microsoft vs. Macintosh to the raw power of the Processors behind them. Presuming we stay with the Home User's Budget and the Home User's PCs, and talk of single Processors then Intel outstrips the G5 by Miles, and then (however much it hurts me), the AMD's 64-Bit equals it. G5 is only fast because they've stuck two processors together, a G2.5 would not match the Intel's new 3.2Ghz PC which is available to Home Users

[Sir. T. Kalthor]

What! Poor Writing! My Computer-Nerdom has nothing to do with this

I am simply attempting to get a balance on here; there are many MANY more by percentage Macintosh Nerds than there are Computer Nerds. It is about preferance, yet not. I find this goes on in Computers too; AMD vs. Intel etc. but I would like to know what is so damn good about Macintosh? It appears to me it does nothing that Windows doesn't do, and infact less, why would less people use it if it doesn't?

[mikeywalnutz]

Balance? For what? This section is called the Apple Forum. With that said, you are more than welcome to post your inquiries and opinions in here. But if you have nothing better to do than flame and call people impotent hares and giant crabs, don't post anything at all. I see myself as a lobster anyway.

Good day, Sir!

[Sir. T. Kalthor]

euh?

[mikeywalnutz]

Good question. But I'll let someone more qualified to answer that.

[techfreak]

Originally posted by Sir. T. Kalthor
I have used more computers than you give me credit for, and I am only 16 - but there is always Windows for me when I come back home. Windows 3.11 was probably 90% other material; but so here earlier Apple OS versions. We all know the Xerox Stories and we all know Apple got knowhere with Legal proceedings because of them. Macintosh are the underdogs and always will be - if they are so good why are they not the best? Because they're not.

No offense, but that is an ignorant 16 year old thing to say. What defines "the best"? Sales?, Design? Compatibility? Please answer that.

Apple is a company that produces their OWN products, they are not an open source architecture like IBM compatible PC's. You really cannot compare the two my any means. In essence they both serve their own purposes.

You are stating an opinion and arguing on a point that can nor will ever be proven without a definition or guideline to follow. If you cannot afford an Apple system or are given what you currently have (given your age) then you will probably have some bias to reflect that. But until you grow up to the point where you can appreciate both platforms for what they are, you will forever be among the young, and dumb. No offense, just stating the facts.

[Ioman]

Originally posted by Sir. T. Kalthor
What! Poor Writing! My Computer-Nerdom has nothing to do with this

I am simply attempting to get a balance on here; there are many MANY more by percentage Macintosh Nerds than there are Computer Nerds. It is about preferance, yet not. I find this goes on in Computers too; AMD vs. Intel etc. but I would like to know what is so damn good about Macintosh? It appears to me it does nothing that Windows doesn't do, and infact less, why would less people use it if it doesn't?

Style, design, ease of use, quality of the components and the attention to crafstmanship are all thing you will get from an Apple system over a home-made system any day.

IMO Apple system's are for the crowd that does not want a CIS degree in order to use their system. It works, looks great and is powerful. It is a Ferrari Vs. a Mustang. Both are fast, one just has more class than the other.

You cannot compare CPU speeds, architecture and raw hardware. You need to look much more deeper than that. The computer market is not defined by how cheap of a system you can buy, it is defined by preference just like the home theater market, car market etc.

Get the picture, understand the philosophies and stop argueing! :argue

[mikeywalnutz]

You tell them, Ioman!

[greenduck]

Don't feed the trolls.

Although they ask questions, they can't handle the answers.

[ECA]

I am simply attempting to get a balance on here; there are many MANY more by percentage Macintosh Nerds than there are Computer Nerds.

This statement is Crap. You cant be a MAC computer nerd and NOT be a computer NERD. They are BOTH computers. This is like saying only INTEL makes PC's.

It is about preferance, yet not. I find this goes on in Computers too; AMD vs. Intel etc. but I would like to know what is so damn good about Macintosh?

Solid system structure. A system that is STANDARDIZED unlike DELL, HP, COMPAC, PAKARD BELL, ect. That can be FIXED.

It appears to me it does nothing that Windows doesn't do, and infact less, why would less people use it if it doesn't?

You think so? How about 10 years ago when Windows didnt have a windowing environment, or a Graphical Word processor(they dont even now), Or Who pushed for better hardware, SCSI, Firewire, 32/64 bit buss And I think AGP. HOW about the idea that you DONT need an IRQ to run a card. How about more then 256 colors.
NOT Windows/MS or Intell. This didnt come around because of Windows, only the compitition between Windows, Mac and Amiga.

So, say thankyou to all the OTHER PC's out there, because without them you would STILL be running a 486, with 256 colors on a 4 meg video card.

I WILL bet money he OWNS a Dell. Maybe a HP. And has NEVER built his own comp. Tried to integrate hardware through windows.

[mikeywalnutz]

I think he's been scared away.

[triton]

"Don't feed the trolls. " greenduck


HAHA...good one!:D

[Sir. T. Kalthor]

I am never scared away! For I am Sir Tiberius Kalthor!

I WILL bet money he OWNS a Dell. Maybe a HP. And has NEVER built his own comp. Tried to integrate hardware through windows.

I own no Dell, and MOST CERTAINLY NOT A HP! I have built dozens of Computers.

You, sir, are a Incontenant Fool.

Touchet about the upgrading; Firewire, SCSI, AGP, and especially more than 256 colours are all fantastic things. And to a certain extent 64 Bit has its place, very much for things with a damn lot of numbers.

But this does not make the Macintosh COMPUTER in anyway good - it just makes the people at IBM who make the processors and the items within damn good, which they obviously are. Personally I think they should go and work for Intel!

There is a special different between a Mac and a Computer, a Mac Nerd is a different type of Nerd altogether to a Computer Nerd. This is because a Mac Nerd only fiddles about with Software in a very enclosed enviroment. A Computer Nerd on the other hand has a free reign into everything, it fiddles with Software, it fiddles with Programming, it fiddles with Hardware in a open enviroment whereas there is room within a COMPUTER to put new items. A Computer Nerd can have 5 Hard Drives, 4 Different Optical Drives, a Couple 3 1/2 inchers, 7 Fans, put in two Power Modules, add more USBs add more Firewires, CHANGE THE PROCESSOR! A Mac Nerd can do none of these things; he can't even build one from scratch without working for Mac.

Why does anyone want a 'Standard' System Structure?! There ar standardizations in everything on a Computer - so that it can be played about with and taken apart and built back up. A New i-Mac or even one of those crap monitor ones has no space for much upgrading at all. Even a bloody G5 Tower Mac is packed full of Processors which in a Computer would be almost as powerful but take up only 100 cm^3!

Style, design, ease of use, quality of the components and the attention to crafstmanship are all thing you will get from an Apple system over a home-made system any day.

As I have previously pointed out; a Mac has no style; it is a TFT stuck to a dollop of Macintosh Sludge by a stick of Metal. Either that or a crap transparent plastic monitor with no room for upgrading, or indeed a Macintosh Tower with still no room for upgrading at all without removing the Processors.

Good Day to you!

[ECA]

You think MS has an OPEN architecture. BAH.
The C64 had a better one.
If windows had such a GREAT software design then Any company could make software for it. They CANT without paying MS money for the Arch of DirectX, Visual basic, and all the back doors to make it run.
Look at the progs that MS BOUGHT, and MADE work for there system, they have become crap. Mech 4 went to pot.
I made an assumption long ago about MS making an operating system for Games and internet ONLY, making it clean and small to run games could never happen with there OS. They want every bit of control they can get.
You cant even back up your Progs with windows, as you have to back it ALL up, not just the progs, and the OS individually.

If someone would make a GOOD OS and work with whats out there for hardware, I would be the First in line(if I had the money). But, MS has bought out Intel, and has FORCED them not to update, not to improve there chip, as long as there OS cant use it. MS is SLOWLY updateing there OS by bits and pieces. But it is STILL over hung with crap it dont need. They created there OWN environment, and its so bulky you need to MUCH hardware to use it. Dont deedle on those others that wish an OPtion. At least they took a choice you didnt.

I'd rather be running Linux then MS, but I only use it for games and the net.

[Sir. T. Kalthor]

Open on the Hardware of Computers compared to Macintosh, you fool. Microsoft need to keep the programming of their products to a strict minimum so they can corner a market - if not all!

[Ioman]

Originally posted by Sir. T. Kalthor
Open on the Hardware of Computers compared to Macintosh, you fool. Microsoft need to keep the programming of their products to a strict minimum so they can corner a market - if not all!

Watch the language please.:)

[Sir. T. Kalthor]

Gracious regards for my honourable friend ECA; I presumed Fool would not be language and therefore used it. Humble apologies, etc, etc, and so on.

[ECA]

You can say anything about a company but personal insults arent tolerated here. Which is good. Thanks for the Apology.

But cornering a market is whats got MS in trouble. You CANT and shouldnt do that. Make a prog that can be improved, NOT one that CANT. Make an OS that you can fix, not one so propritary that its CRAP.

IF Ms would do 1 thing, I wouldnt ***** to much, but they WONT do it. Break out the System drivers and libraries, to a seperate DIR then those loaded for Current hardware and software. DONT mix the drivers with WINDOWS DIRS. This way we could backup what we WANT.
IF they would do that, I would be OFF there back.

[Sir. T. Kalthor]

Allowing that sort of out of hand power to the general user is OK, but it is not only the General User who sees this stuff; other OS manufacturers could see it and they would gain on Microsoft's lead in Programming. You're moaning about Monopoly; when what you seem to want it co-operation between companies, which is a joining of companies, which would make one company, which would lead to a Monopoly.

Companies should not co-operate; I personally am a very high opinioned Centralist - which is what I like to call the Extreme Centre of the Political Spectrum, basically Anti-Capitalist. In Centralism (my own invention) every company has a Monopoly on a section of trade; but each company is owned by the Government so there is no rise in prices because of this - that is the best of both worlds.

I have no idea what you are moaning about though when it comes to the backing up thing; why back up Drivers? Everyone has all the Driver CDs they need because otherwise they would not have the drivers. So the only thing anyone needs to do is back up Windows and its settings.

[ECA]

they have all the driver? Bull! Not when new ones are made and only distributed only on the net. So, you only have VERSION 1 drivers from the CD? Or version 42.45 from the CD? And they have NEW ones on the net, up to Version 9 and version 49.99. YOU SUCK, sorry.
How about all the drivers for DX 9, or Windows media player, how about quick time. Can you FIND them? DONT THINK SO. They are all located in the windows DIR, someplace. HOw about Yahoo, MSN msg, excite, your web cam? Cant find them either can you? How about all the updates to MS Works, or MS Office. If your OS goes "bye bye" you have lost them ALL. It takes over 2 weeks to reinstall even with High speed access.

CD back up STILL sucks, how many would you need for a 120 gig system? something like 180 CD's? GO for it.

I would rather have a Sytem Backup, and a program backup, and then a DATA backup.
IF the OS fails I can just install the Prog back up, and not need anything else. After I reinstall windows which I have a disk for. Even the Updates to windows, are not easy to find.

[mikeywalnutz]

It's like watching a tennis match between ECA and Sir T. Kalthor. Back and forth. Back and forth.

[ECA]

Im getting Dizzy.
It comes down to LEAVE other persons choices alone. They either reap or suffer from there choices. Its there choice.

[mikeywalnutz]

I totally agree with you, ECA.

[OpStar]

Originally posted by ECA
Cant the power Mac be upgraded, it states its a 8x AGP. And you have a choice between the Radeon and ATI cards.

Hmm, what choice would there be between a Radeon and an ATi card?

:P

I think you perhaps meant ATi and nVidia?

[ECA]

Dont blow in my Ear, Im confused enough already.

[Ioman]

Originally posted by ECA
Dont blow in my Ear, Im confused enough already.

LOL@ECA like its that tough to confuse you haha.

We lub you man!!

[Yuniverse]

Statement that Apple doesn't have style is subjective. However, it is generally agreed upon by more people than not that Apple has style and innovation. I can't force you to agree with me, sir t.k., but you have to acknowledge that it's just your opinion-not a general fact.

Now, quit arguing. PC's are more comfy to some people and Macs are more attractive to others...let's just leave it at that.