neuroking
01-20-2004, 06:22 PM
I went to the local Apple Store today, just because I was passing by, and was asking about the 23-inch HD Display. I asked "THE" Apple display question:
"What the response time?"
The rep looked confused, asking me to explain. I said I could not find it on the website. He dodged the whole issue a little. Then I said, "If I go to Best Buy, every monitor there has the response time on their little 4 line summary."
He finds an Apple site that talks about how the benchmarks can be altered based on white-black and midtone transistions, with some companies just taking the lowest times. I said, "Now, really. Apple is the master of skewed benchmarks. They have teams figuring out the once combination of Photoshop filters that beats the misconfigured PC next to it. I would expect them to post the individual response times at least."
He got a little miffed.
I asked it ANY machine had a full screen game on it. None did. Then I asked if they had a movie. They did. He started playing it, commenting on how smooth the response time was. Then he had to bring up that "Cnet highly recommends out displays". I said, "CNet had some completely f$%&ed up reviews. They didn't know the difference between High Def and Enhanced Def, and had to redo all their plasma reviews when the user reviews pointed this out 100 times over.
Then I explained that the videos don't show ghosting as well since there's no interaction which the image on the screen. Your brain ignores the smearing. I put the video into a windowed display, and proceeded to move it in a figure 8 around the screen. It was better than I expected, but still probably around 25ms, maybe 20ms at best. Nice big smudges could be seen within the window. He had no reply other than this was a screen for content creation, not gaming, and how the ADC adapters would make it look bad on a PC.
I dunno. The whole exchange amused and annoyed me all at once. Anyone actually play with one of these in a FPS? i would be interested in hearing your impressions.
Brandon
"What the response time?"
The rep looked confused, asking me to explain. I said I could not find it on the website. He dodged the whole issue a little. Then I said, "If I go to Best Buy, every monitor there has the response time on their little 4 line summary."
He finds an Apple site that talks about how the benchmarks can be altered based on white-black and midtone transistions, with some companies just taking the lowest times. I said, "Now, really. Apple is the master of skewed benchmarks. They have teams figuring out the once combination of Photoshop filters that beats the misconfigured PC next to it. I would expect them to post the individual response times at least."
He got a little miffed.
I asked it ANY machine had a full screen game on it. None did. Then I asked if they had a movie. They did. He started playing it, commenting on how smooth the response time was. Then he had to bring up that "Cnet highly recommends out displays". I said, "CNet had some completely f$%&ed up reviews. They didn't know the difference between High Def and Enhanced Def, and had to redo all their plasma reviews when the user reviews pointed this out 100 times over.
Then I explained that the videos don't show ghosting as well since there's no interaction which the image on the screen. Your brain ignores the smearing. I put the video into a windowed display, and proceeded to move it in a figure 8 around the screen. It was better than I expected, but still probably around 25ms, maybe 20ms at best. Nice big smudges could be seen within the window. He had no reply other than this was a screen for content creation, not gaming, and how the ADC adapters would make it look bad on a PC.
I dunno. The whole exchange amused and annoyed me all at once. Anyone actually play with one of these in a FPS? i would be interested in hearing your impressions.
Brandon