Philips JackRabbit32

[Ioman]

First Look: Philips JackRabbit32
We have just posted a new First Look.
Title: First Look: Philips JackRabbit32
Date: November 25, 2002
URL: http://www.designtechnica.com/article.php?sid=2366

[LinkDJ]

Since the DVD decoder is onboard, couldn't this unit work well with linux? Even if its just through video in on a video card, I would expect that this would be a good fit for most operating systems, since it starts with win, mac, and TV support.

What do you think?

[ECA]

Very interesting unit...
Portable, DVD, MP3, and CD.
Then can hook to the comp, to Write its OWN Disks.

Iv been wondering when someone would make a DVD/TV that could hook up to the Comp.
Anybody know the Street price...???

[LinkDJ]

$399, its in the article right before the forum link

Er, sorry, $299, my bad

[senoryoshio]

Originally posted by LinkDJ
$399, its in the article right before the forum link

I think it's $299

[ECA]

$299...

What site did you get it from, it would be nice to point that out also. We might WANT one.

:brick

street price is what we pay at the store.
SRP=suggested retail, Mostly from the Maker, and what you DONT want to pay.

[Ioman]

Originally posted by ECA
$299...

What site did you get it from, it would be nice to point that out also. We might WANT one.

:brick

street price is what we pay at the store.
SRP=suggested retail, Mostly from the Maker, and what you DONT want to pay.

You cannot find it on any site, we got the information and pictures exclusively from Philips while at Comdex. The MSRP is $299.

Pretty cool eh? :D

[ECA]

Oh...
So it Probably wont be released until, summer?
Thanks for getting my hopes up.

[Ioman]

Originally posted by ECA
Oh...
So it Probably wont be released until, summer?
Thanks for getting my hopes up.

I believe we were told Q3 of next year. Not too far away man.

[ECA]

So manny companies RELEASE during the holidays, JUST to get on the gift giving MONEY. its getting STUPID.

[LinkDJ]

The information, being the only information availible, said january 2003. eca, I suggest you read the article before posting in the forums, instead of asking questions answered in the article. Thanks.

[llbbl]

Originally posted by LinkDJ
Since the DVD decoder is onboard, couldn't this unit work well with linux? Even if its just through video in on a video card, I would expect that this would be a good fit for most operating systems, since it starts with win, mac, and TV support.

What do you think?

As soon as someone writes the drivers for it. :P

I would imagine that you could just ad it as a device and it work great, since it is automatically recognized as an external drive in the other OS's.

[llbbl]

Originally posted by Ioman


I believe we were told Q3 of next year. Not too far away man.

Who here watches the stock market enough to know when the different quarters start and end ? Ioman the marketing major does .. :D

[ECA]

http://www.research.philips.com/Assets/Downloadablefile/Passw12_24-2021.pdf

http://www.p4c.philips.com/mprdata/020311/0203110040_pss.pdf

http://www.p4c.philips.com/mprdata/020618/0206180002_qug.pdf

http://www.research.philips.com/InformationCenter/Global/FArticleDetail.asp?lArticleId=2605&lNodeId#links

The Jackrabbit has been released in Europe.
Couldnt find the jackrabbit32..

Not to sure what the differences are, except Speed.

[llbbl]

I bet it has a different power plug on the end of it. Also since Phillips is in Denmark, 8 people out 10 are smoking weed so the actual reported burn time is much quicker.

[pooperscooper]

I mean this thing is UGLY.. it looks like some digital kitechenweight.. made by BRAUN in 1985.. its.. omfg.. its so ugly I cant expressi it enuff...

UGLY.. i dont care if its cheap or watever.. if this the final look im not gonna accept it if its shoved up my ass!

[Ioman]

Originally posted by pooperscooper
I mean this thing is UGLY.. it looks like some digital kitechenweight.. made by BRAUN in 1985.. its.. omfg.. its so ugly I cant expressi it enuff...

UGLY.. i dont care if its cheap or watever.. if this the final look im not gonna accept it if its shoved up my ass!

LOL that was finny. I personally don't like the design either. I was telling Dang that while were were there looking at it. I think the previous model is much more sleek looking in its design. Why not keep the previous case and upgrade the internals? That's what Philips should have done in my opnion.

[ECA]

If Looks were EVERYTHING,
you mothers would have killed most of you at birth.
Most of you would have ANY friends, let alone SEX.

NOW, thats FUNNY.

:poke
:smack

I REALLY dont care what an ITEM looks like, as long as it WORKS.

[Ioman]

Originally posted by ECA
If Looks were EVERYTHING,
you mothers would have killed most of you at birth.
Most of you would have ANY friends, let alone SEX.

NOW, thats FUNNY.

:poke
:smack

I REALLY dont care what an ITEM looks like, as long as it WORKS.

Haha you have a good point there my friend! Good thing my wife is blind....


J/K:P

[v8juice]

Originally posted by vindisco
Also since Phillips is in Denmark, 8 people out 10 are smoking weed so the actual reported burn time is much quicker.

Ah ha ha ha ha ha... Uh. I forgot what I was gonna say...

[jonr]

As far as I am concerned, if a DVD player isn't region free, it doesn't exist!
DVD sellers in Europe have given up on trying to sell region locked DVD players, is this one locked? Otherwise, this could be just what I have been looking for! :)
J.

[Ioman]

Originally posted by jonr
As far as I am concerned, if a DVD player isn't region free, it doesn't exist!
DVD sellers in Europe have given up on trying to sell region locked DVD players, is this one locked? Otherwise, this could be just what I have been looking for! :)
J.

It does not appear to be region free at all. There is a different model for Europe. There might be some hacks etc.. for it when it comes out that would make it region free though.

[llbbl]

MOst of the hacks require sodering a chip to bypass the chip that searches for the region encoding. It is a similar setup used I think with the PS1's when people wanted to play imports, this is what they had to do.

That is alot of work just to get this JackRabbit to work. If region encoding your DVD's is going to make that big a difference than why not buy a different DVD player ? Besides how many DVD's do you watch that have a different region encoded on them?

[ECA]

This also has built-in drivers, so that it can be updated. This may be the solution.

Dont you LOVE the US, and all the Business protecting protocols.. Only reason to use it would be so that ONLY a US firm could make money rather then some foreign company selling into the US.

Then why not but the EURO model??

[llbbl]

"Dont you LOVE the US"

That one is easy to answer.... :curse :censored

[ECA]

Can we ask those On this site, If they would buy this if it was REGION free, and they had the money.
We can send a proposition to Phillips, and see about buying them in this configuration.
It should be a US model as Europe is a PAL video format.

[Ioman]

You know what might be a good alternative? One of those portable DVD players with a built in LCD screen. I believe a lot of them have video out as well, so why not spend a little more and get one of those? Then you can see movies no matter where you are.

[ECA]

Originally posted by Ioman
You know what might be a good alternative? One of those portable DVD players with a built in LCD screen. I believe a lot of them have video out as well, so why not spend a little more and get one of those? Then you can see movies no matter where you are.

PS2 has an attachment for that. reasonable price also.
But can you link the PS2 to your comp, or BURN CDs with it.

[llbbl]

Originally posted by ECA


PS2 has an attachment for that. reasonable price also.
But can you link the PS2 to your comp, or BURN CDs with it.

If you can get linux installed on it, than you can. Kinda hard to do it without a HD I would say. Easier on the HaX-Box.

[ECA]

There is an installation of Linux, that runs from the CD.

So, the PS2 has a Burner on it?? Are you sure

[Ioman]

Originally posted by ECA
There is an installation of Linux, that runs from the CD.

So, the PS2 has a Burner on it?? Are you sure

The PS2 doesn't have a burner in it, who said that?

[Unregistered]

Hi folks.

I am from europe and i have ordered the Jackrabbit 32. I will pay 260 € for it . I will tell you more when it is mine.

servus Axel (Bavaria Germany)

[ECA]

WILL you plz register.

Are you sure its the jackrabbit32..
There are 2 others I know of. Jackrabbit and jackrabbit2
They are CD only.

Is that EURO, price?

[BavariaBlade]

Now I´m registered.

My english is not the best, so you can correct me anytime.

Yes it is the JR 32 and the price is 260 euros.

This thing is compatible to pal and ntsc. It can read DVD-R , DVD+R, DVD-RW, and DVD+RW. It is also able to show jpg files on your TV .

If you have installed the Acrobat Reader then look here (its a flyer in english).

http://medienservice.philips-de.de/domino/html/presse/medienarchiv.nsf/pages/C1256C4C0059BB4EC1256C7D0049FA49/$FILE/JR32RWDVK+final+leaflet.pdf

Any questions ??

servus Axel

[Ioman]

We actually met with Philips at Comdex and were able to look at the US JackRAbbit. We also had an exclusive first look about it on the site. Unfortunately is was deleted in the process of moving articles to a new section. Dj has a copy so we are going to try and put it up tonight. Lots of good information about the US version in this first look.

[ECA]

Can you do a comparrison of the euro version and the US..

The Euro version is US dollors is a bit high in price.

[dang]

The first look has been re-added: here (http://www.designtechnica.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=56)

[dang]

Adding a pic:
http://www.designtechnica.com/images/firstlook/philips/jr32/jr32s.jpg

[BavariaBlade]

I don´t think that tere are any differecne between the US and the European version. The only thing i could imagine is a different power supply and another region code.

p.s. the JR 32 has also an analog audio output, so needn´t buy a new 5.1 Amplier

servus Axel

[BavariaBlade]

I don´t understand these sentense, can you give me other words pls.
"The Euro version is US dollors is a bit high in price."


thx Axel :confused: :confused: :confused:

[ECA]

the exchange rate for the euro is abit high in the US. Phillips has said the price will be $300 US. You could get a good deal.

I was wondering if they will restrict the REGION code in the US version. As they do with so many things in the US. The Europeon version has PAL on it. It would be nice to have on the US version.

[Ioman]

Originally posted by ECA
the exchange rate for the euro is abit high in the US. Phillips has said the price will be $300 US. You could get a good deal.

I was wondering if they will restrict the REGION code in the US version. As they do with so many things in the US. The Europeon version has PAL on it. It would be nice to have on the US version.

The region code WILL be restricted. That was something Dan and I asked when we met Philips.

[ECA]

Then I would rather the Euro version then the US version..

Anybody want to buy up the euro version.. anybody from europe with a business account for whole sale.

could make a killing in the Us market.

[dang]

Why would you rather have the europe one? I'm sure region locking is enabled for it as well

[ECA]

Originally posted by dang
Why would you rather have the europe one? I'm sure region locking is enabled for it as well

No Europe dont Do that to there hardware. They believe in open architecure.. Only reason for the Restrcted code is COPY rights in the US... RIAA has a word in it.

[BavariaBlade]

It would be nice if the JR32 i will get it region free.

Is there anyway to test it ( I have only DVD2 European DVDS) without the need to buy a region code 1 DVD ?

Hope I get it soon :sure ****waitin...****


Servus Axel

[ECA]

Im not sure as how to check it. Easily. Unless you have friends that have bought CDs/DVD's in the US.
You may see if you can talk to the company you bought it from. Or sence you are close to Phillips, call them and ask.

[BavariaBlade]

So, two days ago i wrote a eMail to philips Germany and they answered.

My eMail:

Hallo Philips Team
Ich habe einige Fragen bezüglich des Jack Rabbit 32 Externes Combo Laufwerk.
1. Ist dieses Laufwerk Region-Free im DVD-Standalone Modus?
2.Gibt es einen Unterschied Zwichen der US / Europa Version ? Wenn ja welchen ?
Danke Im vorraus
Axel

The answer:

Sehr geehrter Herr XXXX,

Danke für Ihre Anfrage.

Der JackRabbit32 ist nicht Region-free, der Region-Code kann fünf malgeändert werden.

Die Amerikanische Version wird geliefert mit einem Netzadapter für
Amerika, die Europäische Version kommt natürlich mit einem Europäischen
Netzteil.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Herr A. Kleene
Philips PC Peripherals Helpdesk


OK, OK you want it in english I know ( short version)


I asked :

1. Is the JR32 region-free if it is used as a stand alone DVD player ?

2. If there any difference between the US and the European version?

They answered:

1. No, it is not region-free. You can switch the region code 5 times.

2. The only differnce between US/Euro is the power adapter.


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I will get the JR32 next week ( I called my delivery service).Then we will see.

sevus Axel

[llbbl]

Originally posted by BavariaBlade
I don´t understand these sentense, can you give me other words pls.
"The Euro version is US dollors is a bit high in price."


thx Axel :confused: :confused: :confused:

ECA probably had too much to drink. :P

I wonder if you change the region encoding 5 times than whatever is the last region, will be the one it is stuck on. I guess you wouldn't really have to change it too often unless you fly overseas alot.

[ECA]

Changed to 5 different Codes, or can only be changed 5 times.
That could suck, as if I had friends in japan send me there videos and after swapping the code 5 times, I couldnt change it any more from US to japan.

[BavariaBlade]

Normally, this methode is only used for the PC Internal DVD drives.

for many standalone players is a region hack available. And for the JR32 is also new firmware on the philips website.
Maybe there will be a region hacked firmeware available in future.

[Ioman]

Originally posted by BavariaBlade
Normally, this methode is only used for the PC Internal DVD drives.

for many standalone players is a region hack available. And for the JR32 is also new firmware on the philips website.
Maybe there will be a region hacked firmeware available in future.

You are probably right.

[BavariaBlade]

Now i am the owner of a JR32 .

Some pictures:

Thats in the box:

[BavariaBlade]

side view:

[BavariaBlade]

Upside down:

IT is locked in standalone modus. look at the region logo.
In the manual is written: Standalone modus is locked and not changeable, pc modus is changeable for 5 times.
( so the philips service did not say the truth
:argue )

[BavariaBlade]

i have tested it a little bit:

In Standalone: the drive is to loud when watching DVD.Even after a new firmeware ,i think its to loud for a standalone.
When watching svcd or vcd the drive is much quiter.:mad:

MP3 playback : tested 160 kbps, no problems:)

JPG slideshow: after putting in the cd you must wait about ONE minute !!! thats verry long! after that you can scroll thru your pictures, but it could be faster: loading a picture (1,3 MegaPix) takes about 1-3 second, could also be faster.

as pc drive : I only have USB1.1 so i cannot test the speed. Wathing a DVD is no Problem. It was recognized without any prob. I have not tested the Burner.

Servus Axel

JR at work:

[ECA]

Is there a battery souce. so that you can carry it and play MP3s..
What is the limit of MP3 platback..128k, or will it do 256k

[dang]

Thanks for the pics! I took some pics book at Comdex but due to the display they had it on, I couldn't move it around and get good pics.

Nice to have some extra info on it as well.

[BavariaBlade]

Hi ECA

it is able to play 8-320 kbits / s
at 8-48kHz MP3 files.

There is only a 12 DC connection for the pewer supply.
It won´t be a good MP3 player. It has no disply and only 2 buttons (power on and eject).

servus Axel

[ECA]

Not to bad tho, as you can connect it to your car, and get a RF sender to have it play on your radio.
Ans as to NO display. No worse then changing channels on your radio. At least you should know whats on the CD.

[BavariaBlade]

Thats a good Idea using it into your car. You could buy a little 4" TFT (about 150 dollars or cheaper). then you will have A car DVD SVCD and MP3 Player with display ; )
BTW: It needs about 24 watt (maximum)
and 3 watt in standby.

The power supply has 12V DC at 2 AMPS (<-- is this the right word?)


I tested the JR32 a little bit more:
Seem like it is fading the songs in and out . :)
But at the end of any so the playing stops for a while (1/4 second):mad:

servus Axel

[poezzz]

Originally posted by BavariaBlade
Normally, this methode is only used for the PC Internal DVD drives.

for many standalone players is a region hack available. And for the JR32 is also new firmware on the philips website.
Maybe there will be a region hacked firmeware available in future.

Disc Menu, Up, Up, Up, Up for the hidden settings menu..

(mum's the word..)

[BavariaBlade]

Originally posted by poezzz


Disc Menu, Up, Up, Up, Up for the hidden settings menu..

(mum's the word..)

Thanks a lot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is too easy ;)


Servus

[FliP Zero]

So does that hidden settings menu enable you to make the Jackrabbit32 multi-region in standalone DVD mode?

What's the sound quality like as a standalone MP3 player?

Would you recommend the drive then?

Thanks,

PhiL

[BavariaBlade]

Originally posted by FliP Zero
So does that hidden settings menu enable you to make the Jackrabbit32 multi-region in standalone DVD mode?

What's the sound quality like as a standalone MP3 player?

Would you recommend the drive then?

Thanks,

PhiL

The hidden settings menu enables several regions, but I have no DVD to test it, sorry. ???

I think the Sound quallity is OK , i have nothing to compare.
I dont hear any noise. ;)

AND Yes the drive is to loud for a Stand-alone Player.
VCDs were played quitely but DVDs were played to loud (noise from spinning the disc to fast).

It seems to eat all VCDs with non standart settings (140 min disk does work).

Burning a 700MB CD does last 4:05 min.


The only disatvantage is the noise when watching DVD. :(
I hpe Philips will fix this some day (Firmwareupdate).

If you want to buy a Standalone Player . This is not the best choise.

If you want to buy a COMBO Drive for PC, and you go sometimes to friends for watching a DVD or VCD with this drive. Its a good choise.

Servus Axel

[FliP Zero]

Many thanks for your answers!

I would like to use the drive as a standalone DVD player just occasionally say at work which would be on a 14" TV so not looking for the last word in quality really on that side of things.

I'm still curious as to how it acts as a standalone MP3 player - with no controls on the machine how do you control it? Via the remote?

Also how does it display what you're listening to without a built-in screen? Does it have any equaliser and/or base/treble control? Can it take batteries?

Sorry for the million-and-one questions, I wanna be sure I know what I'm getting before I spend the money!

You are a lifesaver!

Thanks again,

PhiL

[BavariaBlade]

Originally posted by FliP Zero

I'm still curious as to how it acts as a standalone MP3 player - with no controls on the machine how do you control it? Via the remote?



Yes you must use the remote. The IR-Sensor of the JR32 is verry good, so you ned not aiming on the JR32 with the remote.

After pressing a button it will last 1 second bevor the JR will react. After a few day you will get used to do this.

QUOTE]Originally posted by FliP Zero


Also how does it display what you're listening to without a built-in screen? Does it have any equaliser and/or base/treble control? Can it take batteries?

[/QUOTE]


The fienames were shown on the screen ( no id 3 tags).
There is no equaliser. I think that is not so Important because you normally use it with the HIFI or the TV and theses are having equalisers.
There is no battery pack in the moment. Philips want to built it later but thats not shure.
It needs 2 Amp @ 12 Volt DC. 24Watt . thats a little to much for a portable player.


QUOTE]Originally posted by FliP Zero

Sorry for the million-questions, I wanna be sure I know what I'm getting before I spend the money!
[/QUOTE]


No problem. I am happy to help someone ;)

I have paid 260€ what will you pay ?

Bye

[FliP Zero]

Thanks yet again.

The best price I've seen online is £165 inc delivery, which roughly equates to 242€ (or $261 for those in the US of A).

Still undecided whether to buy - was hoping it would be able to replace my Dioneer personal MP3/CD player, but due to the lack of battery power, onboard controls & equaliser it won't really do that job.

Will let you know if I decide to go for it!

[ECA]

Originally posted by FliP Zero
Thanks yet again.

The best price I've seen online is £165 inc delivery, which roughly equates to 242€ (or $261 for those in the US of A).

Still undecided whether to buy - was hoping it would be able to replace my Dioneer personal MP3/CD player, but due to the lack of battery power, onboard controls & equaliser it won't really do that job.

Will let you know if I decide to go for it!

But the 12 volt, 24 watts will work in your car. You would need to make your own connections, wireless if you want for sound.