Junk Science

[johngo]

http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Kyoto_Count_Up.htm

that's really bugs!!!

[llbbl]

global warming isn't junk science. any price is worth it if it prevents a global die off of the human race.

[johngo]

what is important here are the facts, and seems many people dont agree at all.
Sure is important to keep good the environment... but to hold things like that in faith..

if all is worth..

lets put away the refrigerator... ozone
oil.......CO2
aspartame.... coca cola, pepsi
etc..


and many things... more... and welcome to the Middle age.. :eww

and maybe with out microsoft isn't too bad :cheers

jongo

[llbbl]

It's going to take more than faith to fix the enviroment. MIddles ages, not quite more like welcome to the Ice Age.

http://home.howstuffworks.com/refrigerator4.htm

In the 1970s, it was discovered that the CFCs then in use are harmful to the ozone layer, so as of the 1990s, all new refrigerators and air conditioners use refrigerants that are less harmful to the ozone layer.

What do they use now. Are refrigerators really causing that much of an effect on the ozone creation? I bet that the amount is minuscule to our fossil emissions.

I don't understand how aspartame effects the enviroment.

[spankers]

My two cents....

Their is more hubris (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hubris&x=20&y=16) than wisdom in the discourse revolving around environmental issues.

Take for instance the effort to push "environmentally friendly" alternative fuel sources for transportation. Hydrogen fuel in and of itself is a great idea; but if you step back and think of how hydrogen fuel is produced, it does not make any sense environmentally speaking. Hydrogen is produced by "cracking" good old fashioned water... using electricity. The majority of electricity produced in this country is by fossil fuel plants. Fossil fuels = pollution.

The same story is true of electric vehicles.

No one seems to have the wisdom to grasp the big picture.

I laugh when I hear people use the phrase, "Save the Planet!", or other associated nonsense. Behind this kind of thinking is the obscene belief that we, as humans, have the wherewithal to destroy all higher life forms on this planet. Balderdash! It don't believe, even if we were to liberate every nuclear warhead now in existence, that all mammalian life, much less all life, would be wiped out. The ecosphere is too resilent for that. Think of all the cataclysmic events that have occured over time; major volcanic eruptions, comets and asteroids hitting the planet.

Global warming is a pretty small deal, compared with what has occured in the past and what will happen in the future. In the extreme case the many people will die because of famine and other environmental impacts... but I believe this will happen anyway. We, as humans, seem to have innate population controls; be it war, disease, or famine. I think the next will be disease. We haven't had a good plague for quite some time.

A good rule of thumb: Less people = Less pollution

Enough dark rambling.

My two cents.

[johngo]

Yea..

MIddles ages, not quite more like welcome to the Ice Age.

This is what i dont undersand all at my friend, they say " the eart is comming to be more warm..." but the winters are coldest than ever... so what the heaven!!.

an the small ice age, one was in the mittel age, so we really dont know what make tha happen.

Aspartame is just something more modern, good or not.. I really dont know.

Many people are unhappy in US for th Economyc situation, seems the things are not going well, if since the times of clinton they would signed that about tokio, the situation know will be worse. when is 100 clear that about the weather, who cares about economy, life is first, but i thing the congress of your contry they shoud know more things like we, and did not approve that things.

jongo :cheers

[k2]

using windmills for electricity is a good start. global warming means colder winters. it seems weird.

[spankers]

global warming means colder winters
Can it get colder in your locale? :)

[k2]

pffft doubt it. i'm in the greatest temperature range. on any given year a 60d (-30 to +30) celsius range is common, on a nasty year it's 70d+.

we had a few -45c days this winter with windchill affecting a -30c temperature.

[Archon]

I wont be here in 100 years, so I don't care

[johngo]

I wont be here in 100 years, so I don't care


in 100 year my body could be under 6m, 3 of eath and 3 of snow..

I always like sknow. :dunno


but i think is not funny at all.

Im more worry about the water pollution, thinks that can be around us.

[spankers]

Hmm... PCB's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polychlorinated_biphenyl) are tasty... yum!
For a good novel with an environmental theme you may want to read Neal Stephenson's "Zodiac" (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553573861/002-1536571-9468051). He is better know for his cyberpunk "Snow Crash" and pseudo-historical epic "Cryptonomicon".

Oh... wait, I forgot that people living a "High Tech Lifestyle" don't read books.... ;)

[ECA]

WELL,
considering that we got 20% of the snow pack we need for WATER in THIS farming area..
The WHOLE pacific NW isnt going to be doing well this year.. Im at the head waters of the snake river, which becomes the columbia river..