Microsoft vs the World

[Dragon]

Question: If someone plants a trojan on your computer, which gives them access and control of your computer - any time they want to run your computer, wouldn't you know someone else was controlling it, when you are using it?

Everyone talks about making comps more secure, but then they turn around and leave out the human part of the equation.

Microsoft wants (according to William Bates) to have it's programs running on every computer in the world; which is pretty much what most comps have - except for those running UNIX (or a side-brand of that OS), LINUX, LINDOWS; with associated software programs.

But I see a problem here. Given the case for MS to have programs on every comp in the world, and since WIN XP gives users Network Admin privileges, (which allows them to have access to the core of the internet, which the average user doesn't care about anyway), wont there come a point where MS, once it has its stuff on every comp, be able to, with a flick of a mouse stroke, "control every machine that is running their programs"?

I put this out, cause I see a problem with the goal of MS, and can see how it relates to the same goal of hackers.

Like MS, hackers want control of your machine, and to that point, they make tries to get trojans onto different machines, so that they, (the hackers), can use those machines to wreck havboc on websites, companies, and the Inet.

But, if you have all MS stuff on your comp, how would you know the difference betwen MS controlling your machine and a hacker controlling your machine?

For that matter, would you not notice something was wrong if you were trying to do one thing, and a hacker, with your machine as part of his/her group of slave machines, wanted your machine to do something totally different? Wouldn't you notice something was wrong?

There has been a lot of press concerning MS, and how they have made mistakes - and although many of those mistakes are bad, which is worse - putting up with a company which wants control of your machine (control which you know about), or someone you've never met, who wants control of your machine, to do things you dont approve of, using your machine?

Which is worse?

I know I have been rambling here, jumping from one train of thought to another, but it is either do that, or get bogged down in technicalities, to the point that I come across like a writer for some computer tech magazine, rather than someone looking for answers.

[ECA]

HAVe YOU BEEN READING MY POSTS.....
SHAME....:D

[llbbl]

By controlling access they can eventually force people to upgrade. What I am thinking about is their proposed subscription based plan. I think the idea blows as much as their idea for the new M$ OS based completely on XML. What are we going to have to upgrade in order to run that OS? Will it be backwards compatable with older machines? Will it be faster than 2k at running applications? Will it be faster/more secure than NetBSD at running server based systems. Talk about throwing everything out the door.

[ECA]

HOw they MAKE you upgrade is STOP the support and updates.
They make it SO, there are NO other copies of ANY other OS, available.

DEPENDABILITY, Compatability:
Look at XP.. ALMOST completely different drivers for IT, and the other OS, versions.
It may be MORE solid, but look at the Sec, updates it gets EVERY month.
IM still getting Sec, updates for 98.(NOT 98 SE)

[llbbl]

As long as they don't try to kill the open source movement, I don't care what M$ does. Everyone should certainly support open source, but also become familar with working on a M$ platform. That way you are not limited.

I'm more worried about government snooping than I am about M$ operating systems. DMCA/RIAA is what we should get all up in arms about, not M$. If its a four letter acronym its gotta be evil.

[ECA]

Governmant snooping.
You mean that little piece of code the Gov, asked MS to put in there system. YEP, its there.
Every piece of email you send, EVERY website you go to, can trace you, and KNOWS who you are.

What makes up the windows users?
It was designed for Dummies. Those that thought a compter could do anything, and they DONT want to tweak it. Its NOT desiggned to be TWEAKED easily. They want to POINT and click and have it ALL done for them. Has windows succeded in this ...LMAO.. NOT quite.
What is windows USED for? For MOST ppl its a GIANT PDA with EMAIL. It might do a few spread sheets, might get on the web. If they have kids, It will be play games.

What do open scource machines do. They are used to RUN other machines, CNC operation, Plastic mold injection, temperture control, Package routeing, shipping/recieving, games, business, teller machines.

What is windows TRYING to do. Everything it can to push the OTHER OS's OUT. I see MORE companies TRYING to use Windows, and failing, then anything else. Its getting better, but at what cost. they havent installed dynamic drivers yet(that load only when needed). Which SLOWS the comp down, and LOADS up ram. The memory management STILL sucks.

[llbbl]

What is this little piece of code supposed to do? Sounds like a load of BS. I have never read anything about it. Besides, you can't trust everything you read on the net. Most of those links that v8 posts you have to look as entertainment, because there is alot of speculation and little fact. It's like a little rumor that people spread when they want to bash M$ or the government. Carnivore doesn't work by exploiting some secrect code that is in everyones's computer. You have to think of the simplist solution of what would be easier for the government to do. 1) Hack into every computer that is running a certain OS. 2 ) Force ISP's to allow their systems to track their traffic. 2 makes alot more sense to me. Now instead of tracking just email they track ALL the traffic patterns.

Going to the library isn't going to help any if you don't have a fake library card.

[ECA]

Vin,
The OLD original browsers were anonymous. When you went to a Server that wanted you to LOG in, you needed to put in data. the current ones, under MS, DONT. This is because they SEND your Email address and a code. YES, it is true, I have read the articles, from reputable sources. It is THERE. And MS, as a marketing resource(information) is about to ADD more information and sorting to it. THIS from MS itself. They WILL be able to track all your sales, and ALL sites visited. EVEN if you WIPE your system. It will STILL be on the net.

[llbbl]

Originally posted by ECA
Vin,
The OLD original browsers were anonymous. When you went to a Server that wanted you to LOG in, you needed to put in data. the current ones, under MS, DONT. This is because they SEND your Email address and a code. YES, it is true, I have read the articles, from reputable sources. It is THERE. And MS, as a marketing resource(information) is about to ADD more information and sorting to it. THIS from MS itself. They WILL be able to track all your sales, and ALL sites visited. EVEN if you WIPE your system. It will STILL be on the net.

Your email address? The government or M$ is not employing people to hack into your system and WIPE it.

The government wants to track all the activity online, but this has international implications. BAD, very - very BAD!

I think you are confused ECA, while the vulernabilites may exist, it is not purposeful in nature. Someone is putting a "spin" on things that are true, making more of it than it actually is. I highly doubt what you say is true.

[ECA]

Vin.
Browsing the WEB used to be PRIVATE.
With the MS system, IT ISNT, unless you take precautions.
Using such precautions will NOT let you access ALOT of sites, esp, if they run the MS server prog.
TRY it. You will be asked a user name, which is your Email, and a password which is GUEST.

This was Added, because the GOV. asked for a way to trace people on the net. IT IS THE ONLY way to trace someone. Otherwise you could send ANYTHING anywhere, and they couldnt trace you.