View Full Version : XBox 360, PS3, NR the DEBATE..
We will all have to wait for the release. It really dont matter what is say HERE, it WILL be what IS after the release. This is only prayers to deaf ears.
NR has some great features the other DONT have, including playing the older Versions, Wi-Fi, Networking. Lets wait to see how good the video and NEW playability REALLY is..
PS3 and 360 seem to be total power houses.
1. Video dont mean alot, when the machine can Make HIGH END graphics, if you DONT have a HIGH END TV/monitor to view it on.
2. Sound? 7.1 audio KILLS the ability to be portable, and stereo from a TV SUCKS.
3. Who cares about graphics when its either EYE CANDY or the GAME SUCKS or is TO SHORT. High res graphics only take up room on the DVD, that could have been used in the game design. If you can FINISH a game in 1 day, was it WORTH the $50-70 for it.
4. NR, Backwards compatibility can only GO SO FAR. And give you a NEW DECENT video abilities.
5. I dont care HOw powerful the machine is, if it DONT handle the graphics and the programming WELL, its a HOG.
6. PRICE, WHY?? Why not wait 6months to 1 year and get it 25-50% less. PLUS adding to that the COST of NEW games. I'd LOVe to see a BASIC, self loading, compact computer system, thats UPGRADABLE and EXPANDABLE, then to PAY $500 for something that will be OBSOLETE in 3-5 years.
7. Standardized PORTS..
I would REALLy love to see these come put with STANDARDS...
USB, use keyboards and Mice and joysticks, output to printers, that are ALREADY OUT THERE, and RAM cards that can WORK ANYPLACE.
FIREWIRE, WOW wouldnt this be nice...Fast HD/CD/DVD and can ADD more then 1.
BUILT IN NETWORK CARDS, nothing to it if you ALREADY have USB. They've had MODEM/network cards for laptops for YEARS.
A few readers but NO posts?? WOW..
DID you know that you DONT have to be a emember to post??
Ioman
07-04-2005, 10:04 PM
I am betting my money on the PS3. More games, better hardware and more developer support.
Micrsoft wants you to pay for extra levels and for online use. I will pass!
I think its WAIT and see, and get the REAL look and feel, when they are released.
But PS3 will have ALL the old games that will work ALREADY oout there, no wait for the older games... No UPDATING old programs to WORK on the new machine, unless you want better graphics.
AS for MS, DITTO...agreed..anything to get you to SPEND more.
but would love to see what others think...
And I would LOVE a self loading MINI computer thats upgradable. AND with standards...would be totally RAD.
NEEd more ram, or bigger HD, or get the new Blue ray, use the SAME joystick you have at ANY store. Add a keyboard and mouse, turn it into a TV/DVR/ or what ever... a basic system for $500, would be awesome..
Any reasoning, or have we stated them already??
And for the price difference on the XBox...You could get 2.
drizzt
07-05-2005, 11:45 AM
There are 4 reasons I'm getting PS3 instead of Xbox360.
1. More Powerful
2. Backward Compatibility
3. Linux system compatible (preinstalled?)
4. High Definition
I don't have HDTV at home but I plan to ditch my 27incher when the price is right. Backward compatibility means I can purchase PS2 games to take advantage of available (and cheaper) used games before I switch to HDTV.
Linux installed means that this will be more PC-like then Xbox360, will be able to access internet and network with my other PCs to swap files, etc. :cheers
Good one Drizzt..
Finally, getting a few hits and some reasoning about WHy and which one..
Come on you folks and VOTE..
Ioman
07-05-2005, 01:53 PM
There are 4 reasons I'm getting PS3 instead of Xbox360.
1. More Powerful
2. Backward Compatibility
3. Linux system compatible (preinstalled?)
4. High Definition
I don't have HDTV at home but I plan to ditch my 27incher when the price is right. Backward compatibility means I can purchase PS2 games to take advantage of available (and cheaper) used games before I switch to HDTV.
Linux installed means that this will be more PC-like then Xbox360, will be able to access internet and network with my other PCs to swap files, etc. :cheers
The backwards compatibility is a big one for me too. I would love to get the Ps2 Rygar, and God of War games. I heard they are both very cool.
The Xbox 360 from what they have said, will not support HD DVD whereareas the PS3 will support Blu-Ray, thats a huge difference right there.
1) backwards compatibility = largest game library available
2) it's powerful
3) no suggestions of having to pay for extra's in game (levels, clothing, etc)
4) controllers are the best!
5) i like ps2 better then the xbox currently (and many games come out first on the playstation, like grand theft auto)
neuroking
07-06-2005, 02:15 AM
Backwards compatibility isn't THAT important, as long as you can run an emulator on it. Like the PSP. Sure, the DS has a bigger library because of previous systems games, but I can play ANY game made for the GB, GBA, NES, SNES, Genesis, etc on my PSP.
The thing the XBox has going for it is all the media features they COULD put in it that would draw directly from Windows. Wil they take advantage of this? I doubt it. But I really don't see the PS3 as having a more 'PC-like interface' than the XBox.
I'm gonna get a PS3, and probably not an XBox, unless I end up knowing alot of ppl with the 360. I have 2 consoles now, and barely touch either compared to PC gaming.
ModestMouse13
07-07-2005, 04:01 PM
PS3 all the way and the vote is PS3-5 360-0 NR-0. graphics are gonna be better nad controllers are going to be for the size of adult hands. Besides people who think there to big they'll always make those cheap korean mad mini mad catz controllers for the PS3
ModestMouse13
07-07-2005, 04:06 PM
I am betting my money on the PS3. More games, better hardware and more developer support.
Micrsoft wants you to pay for extra levels and for online use. I will pass!
Microst wants you to pay for extra levels and for online. I agree i absolutley hate xbox live its so boring and dumb ps2 online is better cause it isn't so dull and you don't have any annoying kids talking with robot mask on
scottie
11-23-2005, 12:58 PM
Xbox 360 is the ultimate gaming system. If you do not think so after i tell you all of these facts you are narrow minded. On the Tech channel they compared the two. With graphical quality 360 is 42x better than ps3! That a load. You say the PS3 is "more powerful" do you even know what you are talking about? Becasue the 360 has a faster loading drive. Also the hard drive on the 360 is twice that of the original xbox, and PS3 isn't even as much as the original xbox. There has also been a lot of talk about PS3 haveing better games and backwards compatibility. Well I hate to break it to you but 360 is also backwards compatible and really what better game series is there than halo? If you have played halo, you would no there is none better. Also the 360 is connectible to MP3 players and cameras to make playlists to listen to while playing on the built in windows media player and to make slideshows with the pics from your camera. Also you say Sony provides a better online system. Well 360 comes with xbox live free, with a small fee to update to a gold version, but the basic comes with chat and the ability to play against others which is all you really need. Also 360 is more of a computer, you can buy games online, illiminating the fee from the retailer making it more affordable, and also yo uwould need a computer to visit websites with both 360 and PS3 so you might as well just use the computer, its less of a hastle. Also xbox's hard drive is removable, its a big memory card that works on all machines. Amazing isn't it the genius that brought us the internet is now also bring us the best game sysetm with the most full range of interneet use.
Scottie;
You sound like an ADVERT for Xbox...
Why not get a REAL computer, and compare what you are buying..And upgrading is MUCh easier and cheaper.
That or WAIT 5 years for the NEW Xbox and come back and tell me the 360 is STILL the best...
Amazing isn't it the genius that brought us the internet is now also bring us the best game sysetm with the most full range of interneet use.
and THIS is Baloney... he had NOTHING to do with it..
Having the XBOX360, ONLy get games from the net,
So they can CONTROL who makes games for it. and so OTHER comapies cant jump on there money wagon.
Also require you have HIGH SPEED access,
EXTRA $50 amonth,
56k for a CD sized game would take about 1-2 weeks to transfer.
And highspeed access is only available to less then 50% of the US..
AND you dont get the best service UNLESS you pay for the online service.
Get off your high horse and WALK abit in the mud.
WILL someone PLEASe make a virus for this thing, PLEASE....
scottie
11-23-2005, 02:01 PM
Who cares if microsoft wil mkae more money for selling the games digitaly, it saves the consumer money, and to a consumer thats all that matters. And where do you get that it would take weeks to download a game off the internet, when I buy Xbox games I transfer the files to my computer so if somethiong happens to the disk I can put it on another disk, and it takes nowhere near that time, and the prosess is somewhat similar. Also if your in the market for a 400 dollar gaming system you should be able to afford a high speed connection. And of course you won't get the best service for free but its still better than nothing for free like PS3.
neuroking
11-23-2005, 03:43 PM
I know, I thought we had a MS exec posting here. 42x's better? Yeah. Right. The PS3 will literally trounce the XBox 360. You can have all the fancy processors in the world, but if you're not supporting at elast ONE format of next gen DVD, you're wasting my time.
Face it, MS hyped this pretty well. I'm actually very surprised that as many places has been sold out as there are.
And captain smart... MS ignored the internet until it was nearly an everyday part of every computer user's life. I wouldn't say they "brought us the internet."
And the XBox 360 is back compat with select games, and requires the HDD. Sorry. i don't want to look up every game I own before I pop it in, and then have 2 XBoxen sitting around to play them all.
"And of course you won't get the best service for free but its still better than nothing for free like PS3."
This is funny. I literally giggled, so thanks for that. Just cuz it sounds soo kiss ass. And don't forget that the PS2 online is free, vs XBLive...
LOL this has to be a put on...
Who cares if microsoft wil mkae more money for selling the games digitaly, it saves the consumer money, and to a consumer thats all that matters. And where do you get that it would take weeks to download a game off the internet, when I buy Xbox games I transfer the files to my computer so if somethiong happens to the disk I can put it on another disk, and it takes nowhere near that time, and the prosess is somewhat similar. Also if your in the market for a 400 dollar gaming system you should be able to afford a high speed connection. And of course you won't get the best service for free but its still better than nothing for free like PS3.
There should be a warning on your post, "to Funny to read"
The games MS will make for this machine WILL NOT BE CHEAP...you will still pay $40-50 EACH...and this would be STRAIGHT profit. With no boxes, no shipping, and no storage..
So, you are saying that if you are POOR, you shouldnt get this...If you cant afford or cant GET, the Highspeed access, and more games..then Screw the poor. Fine, they just lost at least 50% of the market..
IF they would open the market for this machine, to other gaming companies, this machine could have 3 times the games... you expect MS to make a new, GREAT game every month??? I REALLy dout it... In 5 years at 1 game per month??(thats before the NEXT console release) is only 60 games...
they are trying to make the machine so NOBODY can hack it, or play with the OS, and this will kill there console. DEAD DEAD DEAD....
ANd you will have to prove to me there IS away to get these games off the machine, for backup..
PS,
you have to understand something..these guys on the site dont jump on my side much.. when they do, there REALLY must be something WRONG...
Ioman
11-23-2005, 05:13 PM
I know, I thought we had a MS exec posting here. 42x's better? Yeah. Right. The PS3 will literally trounce the XBox 360. You can have all the fancy processors in the world, but if you're not supporting at elast ONE format of next gen DVD, you're wasting my time.
Face it, MS hyped this pretty well. I'm actually very surprised that as many places has been sold out as there are.
And captain smart... MS ignored the internet until it was nearly an everyday part of every computer user's life. I wouldn't say they "brought us the internet."
And the XBox 360 is back compat with select games, and requires the HDD. Sorry. i don't want to look up every game I own before I pop it in, and then have 2 XBoxen sitting around to play them all.
"And of course you won't get the best service for free but its still better than nothing for free like PS3."
This is funny. I literally giggled, so thanks for that. Just cuz it sounds soo kiss ass. And don't forget that the PS2 online is free, vs XBLive...
LOL this has to be a put on...
I am right there with you. For the money, wait for the PS3. But then again thats the problem. Gamers are impatient, and I really think Sony will lose a good 10% marketshare to gamers that don't want to wait a whole year.
Imagine you decide to wait, then one day at your friends house you see this cool Xbox game. You might think to yourself, well maybe this isn't that bad, and decide to get one. Then of course you are screwed because that was the ONE good game on the system lol.
I think this is a typical scenerio for people.
Technology-wise, the Xbox 360 doesn't even come close to the PS3. Expect games to look better on the PS3 plus the unit looks sexy, not like a toy.
neuroking
11-23-2005, 05:24 PM
If the XBox360 were $250 or less... I bet they'd sell like hotcakes. This is just die hard gamers and parents that have to get it for their kids. That isn't THAT big of a market. When you take into account that the average household income is around $45k, and $500 is a major investment (this the essential toys and 2 games). Hrm... mortgage/car payment of toy...
And NOW, the P3, and other comapnies can SEE what the Xbox 360 has, and can put minor improvements into there RELEASE...as well as being able to play ALL releases made on the previous machines in the line... These other companies have something going.
they ALREADY have 1000 games ready to run on there machines, and with better graphics...
jtfields
11-23-2005, 11:41 PM
Xbox 360 is the ultimate gaming system. If you do not think so after i tell you all of these facts you are narrow minded. <snip>...Amazing isn't it the genius that brought us the internet is now also bring us the best game sysetm with the most full range of interneet use.
I'm not a gamer so it would be hard for me to care less about which system is better. But everyone here who is passing judgement on a system that's not even out yet (the PS3,) whether good or bad, could probably fall into the "narrow minded" category, including yourself.
Your quote about Microsoft and the internet is a joke. Microsoft is not an innovator, they are a renovator and a regurgitator. They don't invent anything, be it Windows, Office, Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player or Xbox. They take something that someone else has done and they just do it better. If they can't do it better then they just give it away free until their competiion goes out of business.
It is interesting to watch them fight the gaming machine battle because they are in the unfamiliar territory of hardware competition. They could just give away Internet Explorer because once it was developed there was no huge loss everytime someone downloaded it. They can't do that with something like the Xbox and they don't have enough money to scare a company like Sony.
If Ms had used some interesting things with there NEW device,
It might have given them some advantage.
USB game ports
Standard HD ports and configuration, firewire would be NICE..
A REAL dual layer DVD/CD writer
CLEANEd up there OS.
It would of in my HONEST opinion have a great chance.
We could mod the HD, use USB keyboards and mice and JOYSTICKS, and backup the HD from the system.
And I would consider it as a purchase-able item. but for what they WANT..NO.
Go out and MAKE your own computer, maybe a whopping $1800, and have EVERYTHING you want.
scottie
11-24-2005, 06:30 PM
Technology-wise, the Xbox 360 doesn't even come close to the PS3.
How can you say that? The PS3 hasn't even came out! Do you remomber how hyped every sony game console has been? and none of them have lived up to it why would PS3 be any different. Also ECA do you really think PS3 can make major adjustments to their system in the short time period before they release? Right now they must be in the final stage of testing their own system and then start to produce it, they definately don't have time to make major adjustments.
scottie
11-24-2005, 06:39 PM
all you need to know
http://reviews.designtechnica.com/review2577.html
Ioman
11-24-2005, 07:33 PM
I would not be so quick to jump on the Microsoft bandwagon yet: http://news.com.com/Crash+reports+hit+Xbox+360/2100-1043_3-5969776.html?tag=nefd.top
Looks like a lot of people are getting screwed.
scottie
11-24-2005, 07:37 PM
You didn't think there would be bugs? There always are with new game systems.
With the one understanding that a TV display can only be improved so much.
There are 2 things that could be done VERY easy.
1. if they had a modular system, and swapping a card out is very easy.
2. Adding RAM, to a video card is the Easiest thisg to do. It can add speed to the system, and add high resolutions.
With added video ram, a system can cache ALL the video, textures, and also extra frames.
The Xbox 360, you posted has 512 megs of ram, and only 10 megs video...
For the ps3, 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
And the video card for the xbox is rated at 1Gflop, the Ps3, is 1.8Gflop...
http://reviews.designtechnica.com/review2604_specs13029.html
REAd the spec section..
It totally over powers the Xbox360..
And that dont count, that the WHOLe game base of the previous machines in the PS line will play on this.
scottie
11-24-2005, 07:59 PM
I guess it depends where you get your info from.
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x
Shows xbox is more powerfull. It also shows xbox has more built in features which I have heard people on this forum saying that x-box has "too many add ons" which is a load of crap becasue as you can see above xbox has more built in.
You didn't think there would be bugs? There always are with new game systems.
NO,
There cant be problems...NEVER...
this will shut you down so fast, that you will NOT sell any more of your system.
A REAL computer YES, there are problems and fixes.
On a console...NEVER, you DONT want them. You BOUGHT it becasue its SUPPOSEd to be more stable then your computer.
On another point, which you have not mentioned.
I WOULD NOT buy the unit on Ebay, or anywhere else, until I had it 'IN MY HAND'. AND i see no reason to pay 2-3 times its shelf price.
scottie
11-24-2005, 08:06 PM
when does PS3 come out anyway now im hearing 2006? That would mean they get none of the huge christmas profit.
Umm, so you think Xmas comes "HOW OFTEN"??
And you think a power PC chip ISNT that fast??
Ok, I read those specs, and its STILL...Unlike your TOTAL dedication to Xbox...A toss up..
and in a Toss up, what do you look at...? THE PRICE..
I DO, like the PS3 and the Blue ray...
plus ps3 is supposed to come w/ wireless, something the xbox360 is missing as a standard feature
scottie
11-25-2005, 06:07 PM
Xbox comes with wireless unless you buy the $300 core system which also comes without a hard drive.
scottie
11-25-2005, 06:26 PM
Umm, so you think Xmas comes "HOW OFTEN"??
And you think a power PC chip ISNT that fast??
Ok, I read those specs, and its STILL...Unlike your TOTAL dedication to Xbox...A toss up..
and in a Toss up, what do you look at...? THE PRICE..
I DO, like the PS3 and the Blue ray...
Alright first of all You really need to tell me what you are taling about, becasue I really have no idea what you mean by that first scentence. And both 360 and PS3 use a computer based chip. The specs are nowhere near identical..... #60 has double the built in memory. PS3 has no embeded video memory to 360's 10MB. 360 is compatible with double the amounts of formats of media. The size of PS3's removale hard drive isn't in the same planet as 360's. Now tell me why I should get PS3.
when does PS3 come out anyway now im hearing 2006? That would mean they get none of the huge christmas profit.
They dont get Xmas profit??? Thats what I ment.
The 360, has SHARED video ram...that 512 meg, will be SPLIT up as needed, which will SLOW that machine down. Its not dedicated.
The 360 only has a 9.4gig DVD...with the PS3, you get BLUERAY along WITH THAT. You posted that link, READ IT...
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x
As to DVD format...PS3
Disc Media
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA,
CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer),
SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video,
DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE
neuroking
11-26-2005, 04:57 AM
I guess it depends where you get your info from.
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x
Shows xbox is more powerfull. It also shows xbox has more built in features which I have heard people on this forum saying that x-box has "too many add ons" which is a load of crap becasue as you can see above xbox has more built in.
Ummm did you RTFA? The way they make it sound, the PS3 is set to trounce the XBox across the board. They even SAY that the XBox can do 33 billion dot products/sec, and the PS3 can for 51 billion. Look at the table at the bottom, and tell me the XBox has more features...
Thanks for the article, though. You jsut completely crystallized my decision to get a PS3 over an XBox.
NOW,
Its interesting that the PS3 can WAIT..
They can LOOk at what Xbox has released, and do anything they WISH with the PS3.
They can RE-modify it to beat the 'Heck' out of the Xbox.
anything Shown, or spoken about, WERE DEMO units...of what it MIGHT be..
jtfields
11-26-2005, 09:35 PM
Xbox comes with wireless unless you buy the $300 core system which also comes without a hard drive.
He means wireless as in WiFi. The ability to connect to a wireless network. The 360 doesn't come with that, it's an add-on. You are referring to the wireless controller the Premium version of the 360 comes with.
Guys,
He wont listen..
He is an Xbox fiend.. He loves MS and all it does for him.
He probably has MS Keyboard, mouse, and all the rest.
It dont know that MS is worse then APPLe with there pricing.
And quality wise, go with Logitech..
Im sorry..I Believe in comparitive Shopping..I want 2 items SIDE-by-side...And comapre the BASE units and price..Then ADD what needs for the TOP of the line, then COMPARe prices and abilities. THAN add games..
Going out and buying the first flashy item on the shelf, dont mean its the best.
IPOD wasnt the FIRST music player.. They do make GOOD software for there item tho.
WAIT, until you have something PHYSICAL to compare.
You save money, time, and they FIX the bugs(you hope).
You save money cause you dont BUY in the first 6 months, and the price goes DOWN.
You save TIME because you CAN compare, and get the better unit, and you can SEE what software is out there. AND IF that software is what you want.
YOU SAVE on the frustration, of having this COOL game that DONT work because of 1 little BUG, in the software or the hardware.
You cant compare whats NOT out yet. Scot, you could have raised this fact LONG ago. But you decided to base all your facts by whats been published..
WE HEARD...Alot of things about both models, including that the xbox was to be released with 6 versions of its base unit.
Odds are you JUST got the 360, or you haven't gotten it yet.
You cant say its the best, as you havent SEEN whats coming out. In games or in other units. NOT promises of whats to come...Iv been waiting 10 years for a game release..(ELITE 4).
I see problems with what MS wants to do...
1. internet software releases...
It wont be any cheaper then at the store, you might save $5, But I can return it to THE STORE..(tribes 3, CRAP)
2. single player type games.
If all there games go internet ONLY, its extra cost. LOTS of people cant afford the extra cost. I know people that cant afford more then 1 game a month, or every 2 or MORE months, that will want this machine..
3. Im sorry, but I DONT like wireless.
It has its uses, but it also makes it EASY to loose controllers. As well as learning to turn WiFi OFF, so no one in the area STEALS your access.
We, understand that SOMEONE is going to hack this machine sometime in the future. Have it setup and send a virus to you, that allows them to sit outside, and steal your games/access/codes and ALL...and you CANt say it wont happen.
4. standardization..
It would be REALLy cool, if all these machine already have the ability to use CURRENT on the market hardware...Joysticks, keyboards, mice, and so forth..But they dont/wont. They WANT your money and they will get it.
scottie
11-27-2005, 05:26 PM
They blueray is completly not needed. When you run out of 9.4 gig of only game memory you let me know. The blueray is also only for games on the processor, so it is not included in the romovable hard drive, and 360 also has more than 9.4 gig intended for downloading games, movies, uploading music and pictures, but the 9.4 soely for games is more that enough.
scottie
11-27-2005, 06:00 PM
Ummm did you RTFA? The way they make it sound, the PS3 is set to trounce the XBox across the board. They even SAY that the XBox can do 33 billion dot products/sec, and the PS3 can for 51 billion. Look at the table at the bottom, and tell me the XBox has more features...
Thanks for the article, though. You jsut completely crystallized my decision to get a PS3 over an XBox.
The reason the PS3 has the POTENTIAL to do twice the process is becasue it suposedly has 7 terrraflops to 360's 3. WE don't know that is has 7 its what sony has said, but we know they are not afraid to stretch the truth. Although the PS3 has that potential, with 7 terraflops it could be really slow. If one terraflop would get a long process and others short they would end up waiting for each other ending in cripiling slowness.
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE
ROM=read only memory
Video= the new movie format that sony will soon be using.
R=Write, or copied Blueray.
RE= rewriteable?? recordable blueray...?
Im sorry..But to think you can get the Blueray movie format Before its FULLY out and for a decent price??? This could be 1 reason its being held up..waiting for the release of blueray devices.
And that SOME games use Video format to CGI, insted of rendering the backgrounds. SAVE alot on power use, and rendering.. That needs Fully rendered images already posted on the DVD..
He means wireless as in WiFi. The ability to connect to a wireless network. The 360 doesn't come with that, it's an add-on. You are referring to the wireless controller the Premium version of the 360 comes with.
That I am, I meant WiFi. That's a huge overlook by MS IMHO. Both revolution and ps3 will have wifi standard.
jtfields
11-27-2005, 08:56 PM
WE don't know that is has 7 its what sony has said, but we know they are not afraid to stretch the truth.
This is my point. We don't know. It is silly to try and compare one system to another that is not even on the market yet. If you want to buy something now then your choice is easy: the 360 is the only thing around (if you can find it.) If you want the best then you need to wait until the PS3 is actually released so that you can actually determine which is the best.
In the end, regardless of which one has more "power", it will come down to which one has the best games. And by "best games" I don't mean "most realistic" or "best graphics", I mean "most fun to play." Cool graphics and sound can make a bad game interesting for only so long.
Marc322
11-27-2005, 09:40 PM
although i agree with the more available games on ps3 im going to get an xbox 360 and soon not only because it came out sooner but i have this one question to ask the gamers in here if u own ps2 and xbox and a game comes out for all systems which system would you prefer playing it on??? now honestly i can say xbox faster load times and better graphics so why wouldnt i be on the xbox when ps3 has a boomerang for a controller and xbox has whats possibly the best controller to date? i dont mind waiting a few months to get the 360 im happy with xbox i still play my madden and fight night and go through many different games at time i dont mind waiting a few months to see grand theft auto improved for the xbox! sorry im so late just saw the thread
Ioman
11-27-2005, 10:03 PM
BTW the Xbox 360 is not really cheaper than the PS3, they just left a lot of extra's out of the basic packages. You can get a WiFi adapter, but it costs $100 dollars (a ton of money for old technology) plus rechargeable batteries cost more etc. they just nickel and dime ya to death. But who knows, Sony could do the same thing with the PS3.
BTW so far our evaluation unit has not overheated or locked up thankfully.
Just heard,
sony will price the PS3 the same as the XBox 360.
MS says they are looseing about $160 per sale...I just think they ARENT making the profit margin. They AINT looseing money.
Marc, please read your post.
You cant compare the 360 to the PS2.
In the long run, I dont CARE if it takes forever to load a game, as long as the GAME, not the graphic and sound, ARE GOOD. Even loading ALL these textures into the ram takes time.. MOST people arent going to use 5.1 surround sound. And who wants to plug it in(optical port) in tha back of a good stereo EVERYTIME.
Most of those I know, carry there systems to friends homes..A direct connect would be great.
WiFi?? I hope there within 100 feet, and no Brick or metal walls. GREAt for apartments, and you live CLOSE.
Its the SAME war, going on with computers...
HOW much is enough?
99% of the computers I work on, only have stereo set up.
A Nic is fine for highspeed access.
Wifi, and wireless, ARENT for the regular user, or even kids. Unless they know MORE about it then you. They probably wont be using it. Be neet if it had a 1 mile booster.. THEN you could have a REAL game with at least 16 people playing.
considering the VIDEO output of the common TV set...WHO CARES the thing can render 1024x768 and higher... wont do any good on even the Super TV's as the refresh may be to fast. And smear on the sets..DOT pitch dont look 1/2 as good as a computer monitor. And a refresh HIGHER then .35ms, will not look that great compared to computer monitors... I dont care which you buy...
I wish you just hadnt come in and PREATCHED this is the best thing sence SOAP..
In 5 years there will be NEW models. and crammed with 5 years MORE of tech, and asking you to buy NEW games...Even tho there arent that many formats of games, REALLY. change the charactors/weapons/models, and play the SAME game with a different name.
scottie
11-28-2005, 12:43 PM
In 5 years there will be NEW models. and crammed with 5 years MORE of tech, and asking you to buy NEW games...Even tho there arent that many formats of games, REALLY. change the charactors/weapons/models, and play the SAME game with a different name.
You say this a lot, but isnt it kind of obvious, that's the price of gaming. Why buy a nwe car when the next year there will be a better one? Becasue it looks cooler and might give you better preformance. If you like to play video games, your going to have to pay for them.
Marc322
11-28-2005, 12:53 PM
i wasnt comparing the 360 to the ps2 i was comparing the original xbox to the ps2 and the fact is if u own ps2 and xbox and a game like madden comes out i get it for xbox because xbox is a better machine than the ps2 so for that reason im sticking with microsoft in the next gen move not only did they blow me away with visuals but with thoughts of an improved xbox live and still my titles will improve is just great ps3 games look great too but we still havent heard enough to me at least we seen "actual game footage" but no one has played with it yet u can look at the specs and both are powerful machines in there own respects but unless u have the tvs to go with it wont it kinda be a wash anyway?
Scottie,
I have a 1986 Oldsmobile...
It gets 30-35 mpg. AT and above 75mph..its the same..
It cost me $1200.
I can seat 6-8 people..
.....
NOW, tell me you got a better car...And that I can buy BETTER that is NEWER...
scottie
12-02-2005, 08:22 PM
What I meant by my car comment is that most upper-middle class and upper class families buy a new car every 3-5 years to keep up wit hnew technology and what is cool, i do the same wit hgame systems.
Ok, so you want one of the NEW cars, that has the electric control on the steering??
The one, that IF your power fails, you aint got any steering??
OK, fine..
I just want to infer to you, ALL the money I have paid, playing the OLD game of keeping up with the Neibhors/friends/anyone... ANd I will justify it to ALL the world...
The only thing, I have a problem with... Is the way, Jumped up, and TOATED a product, that in the END, will be as bad as the atari 2600..In about 10-15 years, IF not sooner.
A few of us LOVe a GOOd debate, and you have done pretty well...
Just dont fall into the IDEA(not FACT) of "what they want to SELL". As you CAN save ALOT of money, not believing what the ADVERTS say.
SpidermanPs3
01-31-2006, 05:56 AM
i picked ps3 cause its better :thumb
scottie
01-31-2006, 01:19 PM
i picked ps3 cause its better :thumb
how so?
Im guessing you have a ps2?
SpidermanPs3
01-31-2006, 01:24 PM
how so?
Im guessing you have a ps2?
yep i got a ps2 and psp.im also getting the nitendo revolution to. :cheers
scottie
01-31-2006, 01:27 PM
yep i got a ps2 and psp.im also getting the nitendo revolution to. :cheers
Im guessing you think ps2 is better than xbox too?
SpidermanPs3
01-31-2006, 01:28 PM
yep i got a ps2 and psp.im also getting the nitendo revolution to. :cheersim a japaneses player because i like there system better :cheers
SpidermanPs3
01-31-2006, 02:15 PM
Im guessing you think ps2 is better than xbox too?yep it true that ps2 is better than xbox. :argue
LOVe to see an update to the NEOGeo..
REALLY,
it will come done to the graphics. NO rendering with all that extra DVD space...
THEn it will come to NEW game play.
The concerns i have is the game industry, is focusing on the game machines and forgetting the Main computer market, almost totally.
In the OLD days, a program/game was made for every machine, and every OS.
EVEn DOOM 1, was released on most of the industry machines, NOT just INTEL machines. THATS what made it REALLY hit the bullseye.
scottie
02-01-2006, 12:35 PM
yep it true that ps2 is better than xbox. :argue
How so? I have played both systems next to each other and xbox loads faster and has superior graphics.
SpidermanPs3
02-01-2006, 03:48 PM
How so? I have played both systems next to each other and xbox loads faster and has superior graphics.xbox might load faster but ps2 had a better graphics card.
PLZZZ..
forget the graphics...If the games aint worth playing it DONT MATTER how pretty the picture is. If I wanted MIST, I would buy it..But most persons want action.
If it cant do SUPER HIGH RES, at 45-60 FPS then BOTH WILL SUCK, is that your dream??
I liked Interstate 82, and it didnt have the best graphics, but it was FAST.
I STILL like HL(NOT 2) and the graphics STILL arnt the best, but its FAST.
Tribes 2, IS/WAS still excellent, with the current cards, and Tribes 3 SUCKS(to much graphics).
The Game size and Graphics are 2 diff things,,, OK??
The BIGGEr/greater graphics take about 10 times MORE handling. Insted of dealing with a 10K file for a pic they deal with a 1GIG pic..Once you take all the graphics and place them around...Tribes 2(lower highend graphics) is GREAt now and maps as big as 1/2 of California, and tribes 3(NEW, Higherend graphics) SUCKS as it lags just to show the litter floating accross the grass, and the maps are the size of 3 football fields.
NOW the question..
Will they let you change your graphics settings? As they do with a REAL computer. So that you can get medium graphics and DECENT speed? Or are you STUCK with what they GIVE YOU, and you SUFFER with what you would LIKE?
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