Multiple OS's

[jwhairybob]

I've got a new Dell desktop. I was wondering if it would be possible to install mac os x onto it, but still run windows xp. I want to be able to boot in windows, then choose to reboot in mac from windows. would i need to split up my harddrive or get a new one? what kind of programs would i need? how much would it cost? are there any how-to's out there on the ether-web? thanks much

[dang]

You can't run Mac OS on a x86 based chipset. That means you can't run MacOS on any type of hardware that windows runs on.

You can run linux with multiple boot.

[Archon]

Originally posted by dang
that means you can't run MacOS on any type of hardware that windows runs on.

not ENTIRELY true ;)

[jwhairybob]

so, why could i not install mac os x?

[dang]

Archon, what do you mean not entirely true?

To run MacOS you need to have the RISC processor. Now, it is possible to have an emulator, but I've never seen that.

Jw: You can't run Mac OS X because the mac processor is a different architecture the the Intel/AMD. Intel/AMD use the x86 architecture, where the mac uses a RISC processor.

There are emulators that run on the Mac to emulate windows, but its much harder to write an emulator for RISC so that Mac OS will run on windows.

[jwhairybob]

so it's impossible? or can i get one of these emulators?

[dang]

Impossible. I dont know of any type of emulator for the PC to run OS X.

You could just install Linux and have your window manager use a OS X theme, or install WindowBlinds and run a OS X theme if you just like the OS graphics.

[jwhairybob]

So, which Linux do you like? Is there somewhere I can just download the entire cd? Is it safe?

[dang]

Well, my favorite distro may not be what you need.

I highly advise just taking a look at different distro's yourself and deciding which one you want to try.

There are TONS of distros.

Here is a start on some of them:
here (http://www.linux4every.net/distros.html)

do a search on google for linux distributions

[Ioman]

I think Archon could be referring to the fact that the Mac OS has been tested on X86 architecture, but honestly Bob, there is no way you will be able to do this as it is not publibly available and probably will not be for years to come. So to answer your question, no YOU will no tbe able to have Mac OSX installed on your IBM compatible PC....and Archon, stop egging him on! ;)

[ECA]

Apple WAS, working on OS X86, but its STILL not out there. They want the cross over.

I have a Question first, WHY do you want MAC to run.

[Archon]

Originally posted by ECA
I have a Question first, WHY do you want MAC to run.

EXACTLY

[dang]

OSX has always been cross developed on x86 hardware, however its not publicly available and probably never will be, so that bit of information is not relevant to his question of wanting to install both OS on the same hardware now.

That is a good question, why do you want to run OS X?

If you want it, just go buy a mac.

[ECA]

The Mac has a solid environment.
Its great to run.
There is only one problem with it. THE PRICE. Apple wants 25% over the cost to build one, to sell to distributers, which then ADD more to the price. by the time you get it, it is 75-100% over the original manufactouring cost. And forget about peripherals, they are VERY expencive.
They are GREAT for graphics. But if you want that feature, you can do it with the Intel machine. With the right cards, and such, you can have just as good, and more compatibility, and be abile to upgrade easier and cheaper.
A spacific piece of hardware you want to use, or run?
I know there are reasons to Buy the Mac. But running X86 would give you the options the MAC would give you.

[llbbl]

Originally posted by dang
You can't run Mac OS on a x86 based chipset. That means you can't run MacOS on any type of hardware that windows runs on.

You can run linux with multiple boot.

Maybe he meant the video cards can be used in both OS'es. You did specify "any ype of hardware" and a video card is certainly essential to the operation of a computer.

[jwhairybob]

well, i wanna try mac because of the uses in video, picture, and audio editing. Some of my friends up in juneau run macs and love them, i was wondering if i could do this for cheap, so i wouldn't have to buy a whole new computer, but only a hard drive, and hard drive switcher. Thanks anyways though.

[ECA]

OK, I see now.
YES there is some GREAT audio progs for windows, and those Mac progs generally have Windows progs also. Check the program site and see which Audio cards they reccommend.
As for Video, Video what...Rendering, Editing, photo manipulation? Rendering you will need a Better Video card, look at Matrox, and ATI(?). Video editing is a bit of a problem as I aint look those systems up lately.

[llbbl]

Originally posted by jwhairybob
well, i wanna try mac because of the uses in video, picture, and audio editing. Some of my friends up in juneau run macs and love them, i was wondering if i could do this for cheap, so i wouldn't have to buy a whole new computer, but only a hard drive, and hard drive switcher. Thanks anyways though.

Your going to have to buy a whole system. I would suggest an iBook they are a great introduction to the Mac and for what you are looking for it would work fine. You can "try" all those types of editing to get a feel for what it is like on the Mac and then if you are really serious about it you can always purchase a desktop version.

My thoughts are more along the lines that there is no reason to go and buy a Mac workstation when you can get a better performing system for the PC. Oddballs like the Mac because it is not the industry standard. They sell all that functionality stantard with their machines which is something that M$ has decieded not to do. They would rather charge you the extra $40 - $80 dollars for a program. A good reason too because they haven't really gotten into the Video and Audio Editing market. They might have some video editor on XP but it not as good as what comes standard on Mac.

[FloppyDisk]

Oddballs like the Mac because it is not the industry standard.

I thought it was because of their elitist mentality..... :o

[ECA]

Originally posted by FloppyDisk


I thought it was because of their elitist mentality..... :o

And what is MS doing? leading us into the market of THEY create the standard? Wonder why I LOVED my AMIGA.

[dang]

There are many many other options for video editing for pc that are just as good as anything on the a mac.

Good example: Adobe Premiere. They make it for mac and windows. Just as good on windows and the hardware is much cheaper.

[Ioman]

Originally posted by ECA


And what is MS doing? leading us into the market of THEY create the standard? Wonder why I LOVED my AMIGA.

Oh good lord, here comes the AMIGA again!! If it was so perfect, then why didn't it ever take off!?

[llbbl]

Originally posted by ECA


And what is MS doing? leading us into the market of THEY create the standard? Wonder why I LOVED my AMIGA.

Having choices is good. I hope apple stays around for a very long time. :D What else would all the movie stars waste their money on?

[ECA]

Originally posted by Ioman


Oh good lord, here comes the AMIGA again!! If it was so perfect, then why didn't it ever take off!?

EASY.
The OWNER company, commodore. GOT tired of the business. The last profit the company MADE $5,000,000 was split between the 5 owners and they SPLIT the company.
They had mishandled the company, and invested in ideas(buying obsolete software titles) that made them look REAL bad. Then they didnt MARKET it to Every store in the world as MS/Intel did. There is STILL a major community of the owners on the Net, as well as the COMP is STILL working.

[Forsaken]

Impossible. I dont know of any type of emulator for the PC to run OS X.

You could just install Linux and have your window manager use a OS X theme, or install WindowBlinds and run a OS X theme if you just like the OS graphics.



If you wanted to be a real man and just install FreeBSD which is what OS X was based off of...hehehehehehe

Just a joke, except for the part that it was based off FreeBSD.

As for different distros, red hat is still really popular with that largest base of support. Try 'em all..hehehhehe after all as someone once put it, "Linux upped our productivity, so up yours!" :P

[Unregistered]

OK, long time Mac user here.

You cannot run OS X on an IBM compatible.

You can run any flavor of Windows on a Mac with "Virtual PC" , it's made by Connectix. There are Mac compatible versions of Linux and Unix.

OSX connects to Win networks via SMB (built in).

Mac peripherals are NOT more expensive. They use exactly the same ones as a PC. Third party, multi button mouse? Plug it in, it works. Card readers, external drives, hubs - the same. No drivers needed.

OSX has built in support for hundreds of printers, etc, etc, etc.... Some scanner manufacturers have been slacking, but that's hardly Apple's fault.

Software: Adobe Premiere does not come close to Apple's "FinalCutPro". If you want FCP's pro features, but only use DV video - FinalCutExpress is 1/3 of the price.

iMovie is free, and beats Win Movie Maker hands down.

Buy a Mac with a DVD burner, iDVD authoring software is included, free.

Shoot digital photos? Manipulate and edit with iPhoto, it's included. Free.

.mp3 user? iTunes included. Free.

Sync your PDA? Software included. You guessed it. Free.

MS office is available for Mac. It's not free, but Appleworks is, and it's Word and Excel compatible. Powerpoint files can be imported and exported with Apple's "Keynote" software.

Third party software lacking on a Mac? take a look for yourself:

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/

or http://www.versiontracker.com/macosx

There's a whole lot more too. I like this one the best: There are NO known virii for Mac OS X!

[llbbl]

I was using the windows version of iMovie when I was testing out the Sony. It is called Windows Movie Maker.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/moviemaker/default.asp

I think you can install it from windows update if you do not have it already. You need XP of course.